How I get to which day is the "Lord's Day"

Do you have any proof to substantiate this? If not then recant because I could say with the same if it weren't prohibited by mere circumstance that protestants would kill and torture Catholics in the same manner they did in the past for what they believed.

So leave the past in the past. Both sides made grave mistakes. But if you really want to get in to history please start a new thread about Christian Torture and Murder and we can get down it.

 

Amen, Amen,

 

Jesus didnt repeat the Sabbath commandment?

so if Jesus hadnt of repeated the commandment about Thou shalt not kill you guys would be advocating that its ok to murder people now? LOL! what kinda reasoning is that?

 

Can anyone show me where in the Bible it says that we should celebrate the Sabbath on Sunday because of the Resurrection of Christ?

Do you think it wouldve been ok to change the Sabbath for some reason before the resurrection of Christ? Why now is that ok? for whatever reason you can think up?

WOW I wouldnt want to think I could go around changing God's Law just cause I feel like it!

Lets see now, I think that I will decide that its now ok to commit adultery because.... ummmm... well I'll think of something!!

 

All I "can challenge"???

Surely you have been on this board longer than that!

How about answering the point above?

The fact that instead of Isaiah 1 showing us how God was growing increasinly unhappy with HIS OWN choice of a holy day -- what we see in Isaiah 66 showing us the ultimate CLIMAX of emphasis and application of that day in the "New Heavens and New Earth" when ALL MANKIND comes before God to worship on that day!! "From Sabbath to Sabbath".

Exegesis demands that we view it as did the author of the text for original intent. So "making stuff up" at this point won't fly.

Since the rest of your post did nothing to address the point of your bogus claim in Isaiah 1 - and the way it was seen to fail the test of scripture in Isaiah 56, 58 and 66 -- I will address it in the next post.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Switching now from Isaiah 1 and Isaiah 66 -- to Mark 2:27

Where CHRIST the Creator says "The Sabbath was MADE for mankind and not mankind MADE for the Sabbath"

Speaking of the MAKING of BOTH - in Gen 1-2:3. (Creation week)

What???!!!

You are telling me that the day God "blessed and sanctified" can now be DROPPED and ANOTHER chosen by the "traditions of man" instead - for MAN to "BLESS and Sanctify" as if he was God??

What part of Exodus 20:8-11 said "CHOOSE you a day -- one out of seven will do... MAKE that day holy and sanctified by your own power and keep it. Do that and I will be happy."

Funny - but your doctrine appears NOWHERE in the text!!

(I guess that is nothing new for the RCC - but why would you want to use it here?)

By contrast to your "MAN picks any day he wants and sanctifies his own selection"--

The actual "Bible" says this --

No - God does.

Question: Why do you guys always leave the easy questions for me??

What a great idea - you should mention it to God!!

He said "SIX days you shall WORK --" and then rest on the Sabbath. But you claim that we should rest EVERY DAY - keeping EVERYDAY as Sabbath!

I say send that suggestion up the line and tell me if you have any success with it.

In Christ,

Bob

 

When I want to SHOW what the RCC teaches I quote from THEIR commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican II, or from one of THEIR well known historians or from one of their PAPAL publications --

I see.... "no source" for your claim above.

Why not try a more intellectually honest method?

I highly recommend it as a good way to keep the discussion honest.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Bingo.. One thing, Man began to worship the sabbath instead of using it as a day of rest. The sabbath was intended so man could have a day of rest. Look how many times Jesus was accused of breaking the sabbath and would try to explain its true purpose. Man just wouldn't get it would he?

 

Rev 1:10 John makes no mention of Sunday or "Week day one" or any reference to the first day of the week.

Heb 7 - makes no mention of Sabbath or Sunday or the Ten commandments. Heb 7 refers only to the Law of the Priesthood. For example the "LAW" that all priests must descend from Levi.

Heb 4 - "There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the People of God" makes no reference at all to Sunday. or "Week day one".

2Thess 2:15 makes no mention at all of Sabbath OR Sunday. NOR does it state that honoring the first day of the week is a "new tradition" to start keeping.

Col 2:16 references only the ceremonial "Shadow Sabbaths" of Lev 23 - the Annual feast Sabbaths based on animal sacrifices. Even the RCC denies that the 4th commandment is "cultic" as in - applicable only to the Jews.

1Cor 16:2 Paul says NOTHING about taking up collections or making public contributions (church contributions) on week-day-1. He says that each one is to save "by himself" -- to "lay in store by himself" - to SAVE at the start of each week. Nothing at all is said about "having a meeting on week-day one". Furthermore IF this is a reference to "Week day one" being "the Lord's Day" -- Paul does not tell us about it.

Acts 20:7 -- nothing is said here about this being a regular weekly event -- only that this meeting took place SINCE Paul was about to leave. The idea that "they are meeting since they always meet on this day" is not in the text.

The Gospel writers REVEALED that Jesus rose on "Week day one" (not the Lord's Day) - BECAUSE that is when He rose from the dead. They never state "because in doing so He gave us instruction to keep week day one as the LORD's Day AND as the new Sabbath".

But that certianly would be something TO SAY if that was a teaching they had in mind.

In Christ,

Bob

 

What is the Baltimore Catechism?

 

No,it is not anywhere that we must do so, but it is because I am profoundly humbled by His majesty that I wish to do so......I cannot impress God I am one of His creatures....however I am impressed by His works and His love for me that He sent His only begotten Son to save me and the human race. I do not worship Mary....she is a creature of God but I venerate her as being the mother of Jesus. To do less is an insult to her Son.

 

True about physical only being a by-product of this blessing, however, is Heb 4 referring to the sabbath, spiritual rest (as in the gift of giving all your burdens over to Christ)[v3] or eternal rest with God (v9-11)?

A piece of bread can be rest to a starving man (rest from the state of hunger) but how does a sinful man rest from that which is in his nature? Jesus in the wilderness (v15b) showed us that satan is more likely to attack when not only the physical man is weak, but when also the spiritual man is weakened by life. So yes, our GOD knows rest is very important but it is equally important that we carry our cross. Paul then gives us the objective in verse 16 when he says to come boldly before the throne. Thoughts?

I believe we must meet the physical needs for rest before we are allowed into ones spiritual needs of rest. This is the natural order of our defense mechinism's, our physical seems to takes priority.

When Jeus healed the man who had been lame he gave him physical rest from 38 years of waiting for the angel and laying by the pool but what about his spiritual man? Does the Bible just leave that part out or was there more to this story? The man picked up his bed and left but where did he go? Did he have a home? After 38years in the same spot even the post man knew where to bring his mail....

Peter and John had a man walking, leaping and praising GOD (physical) with a little "such as", but how long did that morning joy last?

He forgave the woman about to be stoned (physical) then told her, now don't do that again (spiritual).

Now I consider the woman at the well as spiritual rest. Jesus masterfully penetrated the physical by 1. accepting her 2. knowing all about her. When she went saying come see a man, she didn't say he was living water (the lesson of the day) she said this man knew all about me (spiritually connected). Interesting that in this she found rest...