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How I get to which day is the "Lord's Day"

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Gerhard Ebersoehn, Aug 1, 2006.

  1. Gerhard Ebersoehn

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    The Lord's resurrection is the only truth that gives life; yet concocted with all the extras of superstition like dogmatizing He rose on the First Day of the week and not on the logical day destined and chosen for it - the Seventh Day God thus concerning spake - it is turned into a poisenous potion of will-worship and idolatry. Sunday having Church is superstition, unbelief and disobedience, full stop.
     
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    The whole Bible from Genesis 1 "REVEALED" through eschatology in the form of promise, prophecy, laws and poetry, symbolism, ceremony and whatever, that Jesus the Lord of the living and of the dead, would rise from the dead "In the fulness of the Sabbath Day before the pending First day of the week".
    Now, big mouth BobRyan, show me where this 'translation' of mine does not correspond and agree, first, with the 'original'; second, with the KJV!

    I have dared your present 'prophet' Samuele Bacchiocchi to answer - he declined with scorning and insult. What are you going to do?
     
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    Though I don't believe in Mrs Ellen G White, I have more respect for her than for the whole of the scholarship of the SDA Church and Church of nearly two centuries. Let me, Calvinist, assure you, SDAs, that if she had been confronted with the present truth concerning God's Holy Sabbath Day, she would have accepted, and I doubt for no moment she would have repented; and she, of all SDAs, would have rejoiced - I am so completely convinced of her honesty. Which I cannot say of the SDA Church in the least.
     
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    NONE of the commandments were carried over into the NC; ALL and EVERY of the commandments were carried over into the NC : in and through and by and with Jesus Christ. He is no re-institution of the Law - He is THE LAW of God, and the Institution of it, and the content and essence of it - its Purpose and Promise; its Oath and Covenant. Thus there is no iota or tittle of God's Eternal Law 'passed' or gone or missing 'under the NC - IN HIM the Law of God LIVES and is contained: IN THE LAW of God - His Word that became flesh and with us men tabernacled - "the Temple of God with man".
     
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    Amen Brother... :applause: :applause:

    It has alsways bothered me to hear folks say, "where does it say that in the NT?". The question should be does the Bible say that.

    I preach probably 75 to 85% of the time from the OT. No particular reason, I just love the stories of Israel's relationship with GOD. I try to tie it to the NT when possible and if it's a prophesy, I try to show its fulfillment. I had a member approach me and say, "we're a NT Church so you're wasting our time with that OT stuff."
     
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    okay, so do you burn insence, make animal sacrifices, and dance, to worship God, because if you don't then you are breaking God's law according to you. and why would all the commandments be carried over. if the old law was perfect then why would there have been sought to have a new one. that is based on better promises, and why would the Hebrews writer tell us that the old law was taken away so we can have the new law. or was the inspired writer not as knowoledgeable as you? scripture doesn't back up your position, it does mine. if it does please show me. because if i'm wrong i wanna know, and i hope if your wrong you would want to know.

    In Christian Love,

    Dustin
     
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    Not everything in the 21st century is covered by chapter and verse of any Bible.

    For centuries we have observed Sunday as the Lord's Day. Even the Canadian government recognized Sunday as a special day and at one time not even shops were allowed to open. It seemed the logical thing to keep holding worship services on the Lord's Day, Sunday.

    Now, if I were a New Testament times believer, I might worship, whenever I could, on the upper floors of houses, in caverns and even in the sewers as they did. Thankfully we have beatuiful buildings in which to honour God. We even have hydro to light the buildings, organs to provide music and books to read from. What a marvellous advance in the ages.

    As I said before, do as you please, but don't tell my I am unbiblical in my worship of the Lord.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    actually we have been observing the Lord's day on sunday for about 2 thounand years, because in the bible we have examples of Christians meeting on the first day of the week(sunday) to worship. and as time changes God's will doesn't, we basically need to worship like the early Christians. if we don't then we are not abiding in the doctrine of Christ.

    In Christian Love,

    Dustin
     
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    You have my answer in front of you. I dance, I regard - spiritually - all the animal sacrifices, etc, FULFILLED IN CHRIST - while I celebrate CHRIST.

    It doesn't seem you're able to take it, because I said it plainly enough and times more than enough.
     
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    From your picture I know we both near our end, and from your posts I gather we both have received the peace of the Lord Jesus. He is the Lord of us both - doesn't mean we may not differ in opinion or understanding - how could we have peace if one must see things just like the other? How can we have peace if we may not honestly express our views? Difference and the use of every opportunity to differ is an expression of freedom and peace - the freedom and peace we have through Jesus our Lord.

    So i still say, you may refer to anything and draw your own conclusions from the association what you may think applicable - but like in the above - do not rely or insist on the Bible if they don't come from the Bible. From the Bible only there is not only nothing about Sunday-worship; there also is a lot by inference and association : and that relevance isn't nice, but ugly and unchristian. While the opposite is true about the Sabbath Day of the LORD your God. Just for example take the name of it ...
     
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    I appreciate the simplicity of your faith, brother!

    But allow me show you two mistakes:
    One, We find no single instance of Christian worship on the First Day in the NT;
    Two, That we do find two instances seemingly of such worship in the NT, betrays the unfortunate and unholy fact that the Word of God is shown no respect and that man in his pride, and unfearingly, has seen fit to wrest from God's Word what is most convenient and flattering to himself. Those two cases in fact contains instances of Sabbaths'-worship. I have elsewhere explained how it was done. I will again if you're interested. I must go now, unfortunately - see http://www.biblestudents.co.za
     
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    well, if we read Hebrews chapers 7-10 it tells us plainly that the old law is no longer in effect, but Christs law is. did Christ fulfill the law? yes he fulfilled the law by making a new covanent, and was not like the first covanent.(Jer. 31:31-34)

    and if you would like to make your point, i would ask that you use more of God's word and less of opinion.

    In Christian Love,

    Dustin
     
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    Jesus is the Word of God - that is "God's word", isn't it? John in fact says He was the Word of God "in the beginning". God's Word is God's Law? Not so? Biblical? Well, we've just sort of 'proved' it!

    Therefore whatever God has spoken - from the beginning till now - is about Jesus ... if we accept Jesus is the Word of God. Then the Law of God the Scriptures - from beginning to its end - concerns Jesus - Old Covenant, New Covenant - whichever. God never had another Law He ever spoke about. God spoke through the Scriptures a lot about His Sabbath DAY - that day therefore tells of Jesus the Word-Law of God; it never spoke anything else unless man understood it wrongly.
    Till today. Why are you against the Sabbath Day GOD, said He was the Lord of, and it was the Sabbath of the LORD your God? I talk Scripture all along - too much to use inverted commas every time - but it's Scripture and not my own opinion. Why you refuse to accept what is God's and which He gracefully invites you to share in enjoyment with Him?
    ONLY, because your Church has taught you that Day and its remembrance has become evil; and it has something better in its stead: The Day of the lord sun - Sunday. The Church lies every word but you believe it every step. The Church (mine like yours) is not ashamed to lie and to trample down God's Sabbath Day - which HE made great and magnified in and through Jesus Christ ... only to be discarded as useless and legalist and hypocritical because the Church decided for antichrist instead of for Christ.
     
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    I'm not against the sabbath I'm just sayin that we don't have to observe it, since Christ did not tell us that we have to.

    In Christian Love,

    dustin
     
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    "If you Love Me KEEP My commandments" in the pre-cross teaching of Chrsit!
     
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    Yes, lets let the scriptures speak for themselves.
    Christ quotes from the 3rd commandment for the statement above.

    Christ said that HIS commandment and the Father’s Commandment are one and the same
    Notice that John promotes this theme not only with his recording the pre-cross statements of Christ the hCreator – but also the post –cross teaching.
    Christ condemns those who would break the Commandments of God for the sake of man-made tradition –
    Christ’s followers continue to keep the Sabbath commandment after His command that they should “Love Me and Keep My Commandments” John 14:15 (quoting from the 3rd commandment in Exodus 20)
    Why do the Gospel writers take such care to teach us what Christ commanded them?

    Notice that John does not try to “divide God” as if God’s commandments are not Christ’s

    As for Law and Grace -- Pauls words in Romans 2:13-16 come to mind relative to "justification".

    Here the "New Covenant" promise of the "Law written on the heart" is clearly seen.

    Is it any wonder that Paul writes



    And James 2 tells us to live and act as those "Who are to be judged by God's Law of Liberty".

    God is not "calling for rebellion against His Law" as many Christians today "suppose".

    Nor is He "abolishing His law" so that only the lost are guilty of breaking it - but the saved can freely transgress and in fact are commanded not to regard it at all. Rather God declares that the name of God is profaned among the wicked by the breaking of His law among the saints. (in Romans 2)
     
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    Christ said it by deed of resurrection from the dead (1) --Mt.28:1, "In Sabbath's fulness of day .... there suddenly ...."

    Christ told us by fulfilment of God's times: "... the third day I finish ..."

    Christ by "finish(ing) all the works of God", "entered in into His (God's) own rest ... therefore there remains valid for observance the Sabbath Day for the People of God ..." ETC. ETC!
     
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    Originally Posted by Jim1999
    How do I get to the Lord's Day? Simple, I observe my calendar and Sunday follows Saturday, the last working day of the week.


    How do I get to the Lord's Day? Simple, I observe God's Word, the Scriptures, and Sunday, the first working day of the week, follows Saturday, the Seventh Day of the Lord your God, the Lord (Jesus)'s Day.



     
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