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How long will KJVO last?

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Dale-c, Dec 22, 2008.

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  1. It will be mostly gone in 10 years

    10.9%
  2. It will probably last another 25 years but not much longer

    14.5%
  3. It will go on for another 50 years, lasting one more generation.

    12.7%
  4. It will probably go on another 75 years before it dies out

    7.3%
  5. Gail Riplinger books will still be selling in 2125

    3.6%
  6. I think it is practically dead already.

    7.3%
  7. It will end when there is a new inspired translation.

    3.6%
  8. It will end when there is a proper TR translation

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  9. It will never end be cause the KJV is the ONLY Bible

    10.9%
  10. I don't know.

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  1. Amy.G

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    You have made my point. :)



    I never said it was. The KJV will bless you period, even if it isn't all you have.


    How can anyone not be blessed by the KJV? Does this bless you?

    Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:



    The message is not a bible. It's one person's personal interpretation of the bible. You can manipulate the text any way you want doing a paraphrase. It's no different than me telling you my interpretation and saying it the "bible". I don't think you'd like that would you?:laugh:
     
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    Don't be surprises if there are some KJO left after the rapture:saint:
     
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    Yes,that certainly blesses me.
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    You avoided what I had said."How can anyone not be blessed by the NLTse and TNIV?"You have to be consistent Amy.You would insist that the KJV be loved by all and that it would bless all.Well,the same would apply to the TNIV and NLTse.

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    The Message is not a paraphrase.It's quite a bit more free than that.However,it is a translation.Mr.Peterson is a Bible scholar.

    The Message is not my favorite.It does take considerable liberties which turn me off.Then,once in a while it has some strikingly beautiful and faithful renderings -- more so than the KJV for instance.
     
  4. franklinmonroe

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    Lord, please forgive them (for they know not what they type). :tear:
     
  5. Amy.G

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    I never said or implied that other versions can't or won't give you a blessing. My whole purpose was to point out that the KJV will also bless you and you should not be thankful that you weren't taught from it as Superwoman said. She said she was blessed by NOT being taught from the KJV. That statement is cleary an insult to the KJV. Anyone who is taught from the KJV is being taught God's word.

    I am not attacking any other versions. That's not what my post was about. OK? :)
     
  6. Rippon

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    And I was saying earlier that it would be a blessing to be taught from Bibles from the modern era -- not from language dating back more than 430 years ago_One can understand the Word in a direct and clear fashion rather than trying to decode antiquarian language.When too many hoops are in the way of communication -- that's not too efficient.God arranges blessings frfom His Word under a multitude of translations.
     
  7. annsni

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    I agree that this is an attack on the Word of God. How could anyone be blessed to not be taught Scripture? The KJV is the very Word of God and is a valid version for the English speaking peoples. Yes, it's an older language but so beautiful that I think it is honestly a huge disservice to not have experienced it ever. To prevent one's children from the history, poetry and fidelity of the KJV is wrong.

    Honestly, none of these Bibles would be good for solid study, IMO. The NIV might be the better of the 3, but it's still not good for word studies and such. The Message is not a Bible version but a paraphrase. It was written by one man - not a committee. While he is a scholar, he wrote it without the check and balance of a large group of translational experts and therefore is tied to his own understanding. Look it up - it's a paraphrase. They are fine for reading but for serious study, it's not sufficient. But then again, I remember you saying that you don't want to study the Bible but just read it and let God tell you what to get out of it. The Amplified might be nice to read but I don't believe that it is good for study since the words are not always what the inspired words are and includes opinion in what it means.
     
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    I agree Amy. To say "I'm glad I didn't learn from the KJV because the language is just too hard for me to understand" is one thing. "Blessed" to not be taught the KJV? That's an attack.
     
  9. Dale-c

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    Wow, to all of you that have read my posts, you know I am certainly NOT KJVO.
    However I do believe that the KJV was mightily used of God and was, and still is an excellent translation.
    I do believe that the time has come for it to be updated, but for one to say they are blessed to have never have been taught from the KJV is a terrible thing to say.

    TO have never been under the influence of KJV ONLY would be a blessing, but the translation itself is the Word of God.

    Rippon, I usually find your posts very edifying but I am very disappointed at your response to that.

    I would talk about the Message etc but since Annsi has already (as usual) done such a great job of responding to that I will not say more than that I agree with her statements.
     
  10. Amy.G

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    Thank you Ann. I'm glad you understood what I meant. You too Dale.

    :)
     
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    Just because someone is not using the KJVs does not mean they are not being blessed by their study of the Word of God.

    The KJVs are the Word of God,but not as reliable as many modern versions.There are many English-speaking people who could be better served by better versions of the Word of God.

    Beauty is in the eye (and ear) of the beholder.I don't think that being unexposed to the KJVs will harm one spiritually.


    Well,you're wrong there.

    It's more free than a paraphrase.


    William Tyndale was one man --not a committee.

    You have bad recall.I have never said such a thing.You are bearing false witness.
     
  12. Dale-c

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    Amy, to me someone who does not want anything to do with the KJV is like someone who wants nothing o do with the reformation or church history at all.

    I personally consider it a blessing to have every single bible translation I have.
    Currently, I own hard copies of the:
    NASB
    KJV (several)
    ESV (thought I seemed to have misplaced my hard copy)
    CEV

    I think I also have an JKJV somewhere around here but to be honest, I use electronic bibles most of the time now.

    I have an ESV on my phone as well as the KJV, Luther Bible, ASV and several others.

    I am not afraid of God's word no matter who has translated it or in what language or time.
    Whether it be the KJV, the Geneva or the NIV.
     
  13. annsni

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    No, I agree with your statement. However, she said that she was blessed to have not been taught with the KJV. That is wrong. That's like saying


    I disagree that the KJV is not as reliable as the modern versions. For some, the older language is cumbersome but it is just as reliable as any modern version.


    It will when one feels "blessed" that they were not exposed to it. That is honestly a good solid attack on the Word of God.


    So you can do good solid academic study using the Message? Interesting.

    Since I've seen it described as a paraphrase, I call it such. Don't know what you'd call something more free than a paraphrase.


    From what I understand, he did not work alone.


    This was not addressed at you but Superwoman. I'm sorry if it looked like it was addressed to you.
     
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    Personally, I suspect if Dr. Gail A. Riplinger is able to sell any books in 50 years, she likely will not remember doing so, be able to tell you what in in the book, or even why she happened to write it. :D

    Well, she would be 111 by that time. And not many individuals reach that age, with most having long since died, and gone to be with the Lord, by then, so I really doubt she will be selling any books by then.

    'Course, you never really know, do you, and especially if one is a Baptist or Presbyterian.

    Drs. John R. Rice, J. Vernon McGee, Jack Hyles, Lewis Sperry Chafer, and C. I. Scofield among several others, are still generating considerable book royalties from beyond the grave. ;) :laugh:

    Ed
     
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    The ironies of this thread.
     
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    8 pages and counting, as of 10PM EST, 12/29/2008 A. D. [FONT=verdana,sans-serif] [/FONT][​IMG][FONT=verdana,sans-serif] [/FONT][​IMG][FONT=verdana,sans-serif] [/FONT]

    Ed
     
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    Just goes to show what happens when you send a boy to do a man's work! :rolleyes: [FONT=verdana,sans-serif]

    Hey! I admit it. I'm in a whimsical mood, this evening.

    But I do simultaneously find that I have "mixed emotions"[/FONT][FONT=verdana,sans-serif] when I run into some "not yet dry behing the ears" teenager who has apparently never heard the old adage of -
    'Mixed emotions' means not being real sure whether I would rather [/FONT][​IMG][FONT=verdana,sans-serif] or :tear:[/FONT]

    [Edited to add:] Lest anyone misread this post, this is not intended as any "put down" on teenagers, as individuals, or any jealousy, just because I, myself, happen to be getting fairly "long in the tooth". Our church, this past summer, sent three messenger to the SBC, whose cumulative age was right at 100 years. 59 yr. 10 mos. of that belonged to me, wth the other two messengers being 21 and 18, respectively, and actually brothers. The 18 year old did almost all of the driving of 4 hrs each way, and was an excellent driver, as well. I would not hesitate to go anywhere, any time, with him behind the wheel. And I believe I do I know little a bit about good driving, considering I have driven a cab off and on for many years, with well over 500,000 miles driven, mostly in city traffic, and no significant vehicle contact of any sort, the equivalent of 12 years, 6 days a week, and 12 hrs a day on the road.

    And I assure you that they represented the Forks of Dix River Baptist Church fully as well as I, if not better, and all three of us, at one time or another, picked up on something the other two had missed, whether for good, bad, or merely enlightening, as we converse and compare notes between the presentations. I offered a little 'fatherly advice' or a bit of knnowledge I might have had when and if they requested it, which amounted to a total of about four times in three days, but in no way "tried to run the show", or tell them how they shoud vote or think. Our thinking was all similar, generally speaking, with one exception, that for one VP spot. On the first ballot, I voted for one individual, the 21 year old voted for a second, and the 18 year old, actually apologized to both of us, saying he simply could not bring himself to vote for either one of those to, for one over the other. We all three agreed that they were the only two any of us would have considered, and two of us had given our choice only a bare minimum of difference. For the first time, as far as anyone was able to discover, there was a tie vote between two candidates. Had any one of the three of us voted differently,not only the three votes of our church, but the vote of that one messenger, out of about two thousand votes cast would have determined the second VP. In a two person runoff, the winner received 58%, where incidentally, that was the very first thing done at the following morning session, and we were unavoidably held up in traffic, arriving just after that vote was completed, thus we did not actually participate in that morning's VP vote. All three of us agreed that these events were providential, and that none of us would have wanted the knowledge that any of us, by our one vote, had alone determined that office.

    I submit that both of these young men would have been an asset for any church to have had, at the convention, and would unhesitatingly recommend them as messengers for any future convention, for any church where they might wind up after college, due to their future employment. I hope they both can remain here, in our rural church, as both are already strong leaders among our youth, but simply realize that will be unlikely.
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    Amy, Ann, consider the source...

    And Amy, I would love to see your paraphrase.. .it would definately be interesting!!!

    Plus I would have to say I was blessed to sit under a KJVO pastor for a while...

    Yes BLESSED.

    It caused me to study for myself, and realize the fallacy of KJVOism.

    That produced spiritual growth in me.

    BTW, I like reading the Message.. but only as a Paraphrase.
    I also like the NIV, TNIV, NASB, ESV, NLT, and especially the NET.

    As for the KJV... it will be forever engrained into my soul.

    I cut my teeth on that Beautiful, ole poetic book of books.
    When I quote scripture, I breathe out the KJV!

    Can't help myself...

    I am not KJVO.. But I love that book!

    And I feel even those that are NIV only, should at least pick up a KJV, and read it... YOU WILL BE BLESSED.

    I promise you.
     
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    To whom are you referring?


    As of yet there is no such thing as being NIVO.You should at least speak of things that are actually taking place.

    If you intended it to be funny -- you neglected your usual smiley face.
     
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