How Many Of Your Rights Have Been Violated Today?

Name is exempt from the silence right I believe. The courts have ruled on that in teh past. The right to remain silent refers to the right to not incriminate yourself.

The court did not change the bill of rights. They actually applied it to the case at hand.

 

If you're attempting to get out of paying your fair share, you're a weasle. If your'e not, you're not.

I use tax software like Turbotax or Taxcut. I can find nothing on the activist website listed on this thread to indicate that I should be paying less than I am.

 

A police officer can detain you if you refuse to identify yourself, and take you in to find out your identity. This is not an arrest, and does not fall under the 5th amendment.

If you DO identify yourself, and refuse to answer their questions, they can still arrest you if they feel they have probable cause. An arrest with probable cause is not a violation of the 5th amendment. The 5th amendment involves self-incrimination, not self-identification.

 

Hey poncho, my man! You be looking at a gal and her family who ain't hardly "in the system" no mo. Cash all the way...no banks. No license. No income tax. No ss#. No nothing but just a little freedom...for now.

I know who I am...and God knows who I am. It's been rough, yeah, but it's worth it! Years ago I showed an (expired) picture I.D. & they wouldn't accept it, saying it had expired...I told them, "well, I haven't". Haven't used it since.

Yup, I believe in the black helicopters, the chem-trails, the 'mysterious' deaths of patriot bros, all the good stuff you write about.

Government say, "We have problem, need money to fix." The people say, "O.K." Government say, "Still problems, need more money." The people say, "O.K." The people find that the problem gets far worse. Government say, "We fix. Need more money." Blah. Blah. Blah. Terrorists? Shut the borders if there's such a thing; bring our soldiers home! I'm sick of unjust balances.

 

Granny, you mean you don't have any income whatsoever?

You don't own property?

 

That's nunya, Johnv, nunya bizniz. Oh, okay, I'll tells ya. We own our piece of dirt and have Homestead Exemption on it. Money comes and money goes...who keeps up with it? It's only paper.

 

That's funny, you won't pay the government taxes but you will take the exemption! Hey from now on send me all your useless "paper".

 

No disrespect, I was just curious. If you have a homestead exemption, if memory serves me corectly, you're not required to pay property tax on it. Is that correct?

And so far as money, if you're earning anything at all (over 500 a year from one source, methinks), you're supposed to file for income tax, aren't you?

As for who keep us with it? I think it's safe to say that a Christian is supposed to keep up with his/her finances, since we're to be good Godly stweards of our resources. Not saying ya ain't, just making the statement.

 

I don't believe that's correct. </font>[/QUOTE]http://www.nyc.gov/html/opa/html/yourtaxes-socsecurity.html

This site is in New York, but I believe other cities and states have similar writings.
Also, there are religious exemptions. Here is some info on clergy who can opt out: http://www.crown.org/pastorscorner/Article.asp?ID=2
I believe a number of the Amish also do not pay SS, and there surely would be other religions who do or can attempt. There was a baptist church in Texas I think it was that was in court news for the members trying not to pay. I think it was Texas. You could probably look it up online if you're interested.
Gina

 

Homestead Exemption here only gives us a break until a certain age and then there are no property taxes after a certain age BUT we'll never see our home paid for barring a miracle. Those who have one partner who is legally blind or disabled is exempt. We also qualify for a veterans exemption but still pay about $750. a year on our acre and home.

 

This is from Section 861 of the IRS Code (Title 26). I'm no legal expert, but is seems to indicate that gross income includes "personal services" and defines this as "compensation for labor...performed in the United States". It then excludes such labor if performed for foreign interests or by non-resident aliens and it is less than $3000 (I think).

Anyway. I fail to see where you can justify not paying taxes on taxable income when the code seems to define taxable income as just about everything most of us earn.

STATUTE
(a)
Gross income from sources within United States
The following items of gross income shall be treated as income from sources within the United States:
(1)
Interest
Interest from the United States or the District of Columbia, and interest on bonds, notes, or other interest-bearing obligations of noncorporate residents or domestic corporations not including -
(A)
interest from a resident alien individual or domestic corporation, if such individual or corporation meets the 80-percent foreign business requirements of subsection (c)(1), and
(B)
interest -
(i)
on deposits with a foreign branch of a domestic corporation or a domestic partnership if such branch is engaged in the commercial banking business, and
(ii)
on amounts satisfying the requirements of subparagraph (B) of section 871(i)(3) which are paid by a foreign branch of a domestic corporation or a domestic partnership.
(2)
Dividends
The amount received as dividends -
(A)
from a domestic corporation other than a corporation which has an election in effect under section 936, or
(B)
from a foreign corporation unless less than 25 percent of the gross income from all sources of such foreign corporation for the 3-year period ending with the close of its taxable year preceding the declaration of such dividends (or for such part of such period as the corporation has been in existence) was effectively connected (or treated as effectively connected other than income described in section 884(d)(2)) with the conduct of a trade or business within the United States; but only in an amount which bears the same ratio to such dividends as the gross income of the corporation for such period which was effectively connected (or treated as effectively connected other than income described in section 884(d)(2)) with the conduct of a trade or business within the United States bears to its gross income from all sources; but dividends (other than dividends for which a deduction is allowable under section 245(b)) from a foreign corporation shall, for purposes of subpart A of part III (relating to foreign tax credit), be treated as income from sources without the United States to the extent (and only to the extent) exceeding the amount which is 100/70th of the amount of the deduction allowable under section 245 in respect of such dividends, or
(C)
from a foreign corporation to the extent that such amount is required by section 243(e) (relating to certain dividends from foreign corporations) to be treated as dividends from a domestic corporation which is subject to taxation under this chapter, and to such extent subparagraph (B) shall not apply to such amount, or
(D)
from a DISC or former DISC (as defined in section 992(a)) except to the extent attributable (as determined under regulations prescribed by the Secretary) to qualified export receipts described in section 993(a)(1) (other than interest and gains described in section 995(b)(1)). In the case of any dividend from a 20-percent owned corporation (as defined in section 243(c)(2)), subparagraph (B) shall be applied by substituting ''100/80th'' for ''100/70th''.
(3)
Personal services
Compensation for labor or personal services performed in the United States; except that compensation for labor or services performed in the United States shall not be deemed to be income from sources within the United States if -
(A)
the labor or services are performed by a nonresident alien individual temporarily present in the United States for a period or periods not exceeding a total of 90 days during the taxable year,
(B)
such compensation does not exceed $3,000 in the aggregate, and
(C)
the compensation is for labor or services performed as an employee of or under a contract with -
(i)
a nonresident alien, foreign partnership, or foreign corporation, not engaged in trade or business within the United States, or
(ii)
an individual who is a citizen or resident of the United States, a domestic partnership, or a domestic corporation, if such labor or services are performed for an office or place of business maintained in a foreign country or in a possession of the United States by such individual, partnership, or corporation.
(4)
Rentals and royalties
Rentals or royalties from property located in the United States or from any interest in such property, including rentals or royalties for the use of or for the privilege of using in the United States patents, copyrights, secret processes and formulas, good will, trade-marks, trade brands, franchises, and other like property.
(5)
Disposition of United States real property interest
Gains, profits, and income from the disposition of a United States real property interest (as defined in section 897(c)).
(6)
Sale or exchange of inventory property
Gains, profits, and income derived from the purchase of inventory property (within the meaning of section 865(i)(1)) without the United States (other than within a possession of the United States) and its sale or exchange within the United States.
(7)
Amounts received as underwriting income (as defined in section 832(b)(3)) derived from the issuing (or reinsuring) of any insurance or annuity contract -
(A)
in connection with property in, liability arising out of an activity in, or in connection with the lives or health of residents of, the United States, or
(B)
in connection with risks not described in subparagraph (A) as a result of any arrangement whereby another corporation receives a substantially equal amount of premiums or other consideration in respect to issuing (or reinsuring) any insurance or annuity contract in connection with property in, liability arising out of activity in, or in connection with the lives or health of residents of, the United States.
(8)
Social security benefits
Any social security benefit (as defined in section 86(d)).

Kind of hard to follow the cut & paste, so here's the link:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/ustax/www/t26-A-1-N-I-861.html

 

Now they can pretty much do as they please, that's freedom, but not how I remember it. How bout you Granny, you remember those days?

I sure do, poncho! My granpappy drove a wagon without having to have a license. His first few trucks were also without one. I drove for years without one till I gave in to "peer pressure" or fear, whichever, then I failed the eyetest, so went to picture I.D., but then it *expired*. The last time I went to renew, they said I wasn't in their system & needed a birth certificate...hooo, didn't I have fun wid dat!

I hauled our 6 young'uns 'round w/o seatbelts or those awful childseats...all designed to keep you seperated from each other. I hate to see a baby in the back seat turned AWAY from his mommy! I can only imagine what THAT'S doing do the child's mentality. Especially in this day & age of extended, blended, neutered *families*.

We know some folks who had the men-in-black come busting up in their abode...only to say "oops, wrong house"! Man, let 'em try that here!

I don't appreciate the Women's Lib, one of the reasons I've unregistered my *right* to vote. The mister votes the way for the two of us, but even he is getting fed up. *Voting was a right exercised by land owners. There were even men (non-landowners) who were not allowed to vote, and there were some women (albeit…very few) landowners who did vote before the ratification of Article XIX of the Bill of Rights.

The foundation of our government was never based upon separation of Church and State & the Word of God is our final authority in ALL things. I love the old paths, the good way.

 

Actually, I own a condo. If I miss my association dues, my association can do the same thing. So the point is moot.

Oh yeah, like when they could pull you over for being black. Those were the good ole days.

 

Your hudband decides whom you're going to vote for? This is completely irresponsible, and an abuse of scriptural guidelines on the spousal relationship.

 

We always think alike...always. Rarely have I ever gone opposite of who he thinks is the better choice. He makes the vote, which is mine also. The same goes for church, not that we have that many business meetings. The men do the discussing, the deciding & the voting. I like it that way. If he asked me to stop talking on here(which he wouldn't), but if he did, I would in a NewYork minute.

Oh btw, I fix his plate & serve him first at mealtimes, too. I lay out his clothes, & wash his back in the tub. I cut his hair & clip the hairs outta his ears & nose. I've always enjoyed him doing the leading & me just being a girl, tho' at times I tend to be a tomboy.

 

My point is that, if you feel compelled to vote a certain way, and he tells you that you can't, it's wrong.

There's nothing at all wrong with this, if it works for the two of you. But to say that it must be so for all women would be presumptuous and not scripturally supportable. Now, you're not saying that, so I'm not directing that comment towards you. But some on this board will say it, which frankly concerns me.

Now, for me, my lady love absolutely loves it when I take charge, make decisions, and lead. But I would never do so without considering her input, and would never put her in a position where she would be doing something she didn't want to do. In the course of being the leader, I would never usurp her liberties or freedoms.

 

Hee hee Poncho. I had the same right to privacy discussion with my oldest childs school this past year when one of her teachers got the bright idea to make the kids memorize their social security numbers and test them on it. Told the kids they would have to put thier number on their test papers and such.

Did I ever pitch a fit! It is one thing for the school to use the SSN for internal identification purposes where the number will be held secure. Quite another for it to be placed on papers that might get thrown to the wind.

Get this, the teacher(25 yrs) had never had another parent to complain about this. Didn't even realize that a SSN was all the identification a lot of places ask for before issuing credit. She also didn't realize that if someone uses her SSN with a different name that the credit is attached to the number not the name. This is how identity theft starts. If you have the name that goes with the number it is very hard to stop/catch the thief and prove you didn't request those credit cards.

Course after I was finished with her she had a complete education and so did the rest of the staff that dealt with my daughter and her SSN. I also made sure they understood the legal ramifications of releasing her number to anyone not approved by me.

I'll probably have it to do all over again this year. School system is hard headed.

For those of you who have children just entering public school, tell the school that they have no right to your childs number and to assign her/him an identification number that suits them. Keep a record of that number, you may need it later to request transcripts.

The courts have ruled that schools may not require a SSN for a child because it may stop some poor illegal immigrant from enrolling thier child in school. (just one of the interesting things I found out while researching info for the school)