Featured How Many Resurrections In Revelation?

OldRegular · Apr 26, 2015

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Let me first apologize to the one who started the OP for the high jacking that has taken place.

I have never stated that it was just those resurrected from the Tribulation who will sit on thrones, or maybe what I said was not understood. Those on the thrones and those who live with Christ in the 1000 year reign are the church who as I have stated came back with Christ as the army in Revelation 19. They are those who were resurrected from the Tribulation and Old Testament Saints and they are also those who survived the Tribulation alive and are taken into the 1000 year reign of Christ. We know that the 144,000 Jews are alive because we are told they were sealed and could not be touched.

All Saints of all time will reign with Him.
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You can shuffle your feet all you want but John saw souls on thrones not resurrected bodies.

OldRegular · Apr 26, 2015

revmwc said: ↑

Reading comprehension oldregular said "There is only one more resurrection to come, that in John 5:28, 29. I have shown that from Scripture! You also might try to explain away the words LAST DAY that Jesus Christ used in HIS promise to "true believers"!"

Therefore your answer to the OP should be there are none in the book of Revelation. The OP says "How Many Resurrections In Revelation?"
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I suggested reading comprehension in post #9 after you said the following in post #6:

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So oldregular your answer according to the OP should be none since you see no resurrections in Revelation.
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However in post #2 I stated:

OldRegular said: ↑

The resurrection that Jesus Christ talks about in John 5:28, 29 above is shown again at the sound of the Seventh and Last Trumpet in Revelation.

Revelation 11:15-19
15. And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17. Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Verse 15, above, is a restatement in part of that which the Apostle Paul wrote in:

1 Corinthians 15:20-28
20. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
24. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Revelation 11:15. The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Referring back to Revelation 11:18 above we see mention of the judgment, both of the servants of God, the Saints, and then of the unbeliever:

Revelation 11:18. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

We are shown a similar scene in

Revelation 20:11-15
11. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Anyone who attempts to understand the Book of Revelation as a chronological record of events is doomed to failure in understanding its message. That message is that the Saints, the "true believers", all the redeemed of all time, emerge triumphant over Satan and Evil through Jesus Christ our LORD!
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So you see you are wrong again. I mention the Second and Last Resurrection in The passage from Revelation 11 and again in the passage from Revelation 20. I still suggest you take reading comprehension or run from the pre-trib-rapture-ready folks!

OldRegular · Apr 26, 2015

Since revmwc has already hijacked the thread it might be interesting to see what John F. Walvoord, a contemporary dispensational theologian, and former president of the Dallas Theological Seminary has t say about the number of resurrections. The information is excerpted from Major Bible Prophecies, page 376ff.

The Origin of the First Resurrection

The term “the first resurrection” is found in Revelation 20:5-6: “[The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.] This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.”

Theologians who attempt to put all the resurrections together into one grand resurrection at the end of the present age find in the expression “the first resurrection” sufficient proof that there is no previous resurrection. It does not take much investigation of Scripture, however, to find that this is a false deduction. Several resurrections precede that which is called “the first resurrection.” This becomes evident when the order of the various resurrections is laid out.

The Order of Resurrections

Though there are numerous restorations to life in both the Old and New Testaments, resurrection in the sense of being given a resurrection body that will last forever did not occur until Jesus Christ was raised from the dead. His resurrection is the first resurrection [Matthew 28:1 -7; Mark 16:1-11; Luke 24:1-12; John 20:1-18].

The second resurrection is recorded in Matthew 27:50-53. The Scriptures declare that when the earthquake occurred at the time of Christ’s resurrection, tombs were broken open and bodies of holy people who had died were raised to life. Later, after Christ was raised from the dead, a number of these individuals were seen in Jerusalem. At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus’ resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people [vv 51-53]. The sequence of events seems to be that at the time of the earthquake when Christ died the tombs were broken open - that is, unsealed. The resurrection and the appearance of the people who were raised from the tombs, however, did not occur until after Jesus’ resurrection.

The third resurrection will occur in connection with the rapture of the church [1 Thessalonians. 4:13-18; cf. 1 Corinthians 15:50-53]. At the Rapture “the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air” [1 Thess. 4:16-17]. This resurrection apparently refers to everyone who is baptized into the body of Christ from the Day of Pentecost until the Rapture. Old Testament saints seem to be resurrected at a later time.

The fourth resurrection is prophesied in Revelation 11. Two witnesses who will be killed for their testimony will be left lying in the streets of Jerusalem and will be raised from the dead on the third day [v. 8]. “After the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, ‘Come up here.’ And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on” [vv, 11-12].

The fifth resurrection is described in Revelation 20:4-6. As the context indicates, this resurrection has to do with the martyred dead of the Great Tribulation. John wrote, “And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years” [v. 4]. If the resurrection at the Rapture covers all of the saints of the present age since Pentecost, this resurrection relates to the saints who will die in the period between the Rapture and the Second Coming. This will include the martyred dead that are mentioned here specifically. It is amazing how scholars have ignored the plain statement of this passage and tried to make it a general resurrection of all the dead or even make it a reference to the new birth of the believer at the time of his faith in Christ.

The Scriptures here show plainly that this resurrection refers to a particular class of people who will be raised in connection with the Second Coming of Christ.

The sixth resurrection will be that of the Old Testament saints: “Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt” [Daniel 12:2]. Though the fact that all people who die will be raised is commonly assumed in the Old Testament, there are relatively few references that speak specifically of their resurrection. This is one of the major passages.

A second major prediction of this resurrection is found in Isaiah 26:19: “But your dead will live; their bodies will rise. You who dwell in the dust, wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the clew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead.”

A third major reference is found in Ezekiel 37 in connection with the restoration of the children of Israel. Though the figure is largely that of the restoration of the nation of Israel, bodily resurrection is also mentioned in verses 13-14: “Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the LORD have spoken, and I have done it, declares the LORD.”

According to Daniel 12:1, this resurrection will come at the close of the tribulation period described in Daniel 11:36-45: “There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people-everyone whose name is found written in the book--will be delivered”. The resurrection is mentioned specifically in the verse that follows. Though the chronological arrangement of this passage in relation to the resurrection of the Tribulation dead is not given in Scripture, it is probable that this will follow the resurrection of the Tribulation dead, and the Old Testament saints, accordingly, will be in the sixth and final resurrection of the righteous.

The last resurrection has to do with the judgment of the Great White Throne as recorded in Revelation 20:11-15. In this resurrection all the wicked dead, who up to this time have been in Hades, will be resurrected and cast into the lake of fire.

The order of these seven resurrections should make plain that the resurrection of Revelation 20:5-6 is not first in the sense of being before all previous resurrections. If that is not the meaning, what does the term “the first resurrection” mean?

The Nature of the First Resurrection

As the context indicates, the resurrection of the Tribulation dead will follow the Tribulation but precede the millennial kingdom. In Revelation 20:7-10 the millennial kingdom follows the resurrection of the Tribulation dead. During this time Satan will be bound [vv. 1-3]. At the end of the thousand years Satan will be let loose and will cause a rebellion against God. Then he will be judged and cast into the lake of burning sulfur [v. 10]. Accordingly, the point of the term “the first resurrection” is that it is first, not in the sense of being number one or prior to all resurrections, but in the sense that it occurs before the final resurrection, the resurrection of the wicked. In other words, the Tribulation dead will be raised before the millennial kingdom and before the resurrection of the wicked at the Great White Throne judgment. To use the term “first resurrection” to refer to the new birth, as amillenarians do in evading the teaching of this passage on the millennial kingdom, or to refer to it as the Rapture, as posttribulationists do, based on the idea that there could not be a resurrection before this, are both inadequate explanations of the expression. The doctrine of resurrection falls into place when one recognizes that that there is a series of resurrections in Scripture, beginning with the resurrection of Christ and ending with the resurrection of the wicked. In this series the resurrection of the martyred dead of the Great Tribulation is resurrection number five and is probably followed by the resurrection of the Old Testament saints. The resurrection of the wicked is the last resurrection.
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Seven, count them, seven resurrections and the First Resurrection of Revelation is actually the sixth resurrection and is called the First because it occurs before the seventh. How is that for circular reasoning or eisegesis or twisting Scripture to fit a false doctrine.

DHK · Apr 26, 2015

OldRegular said: ↑

Seven, count them, seven resurrections and the First Resurrection of Revelation is actually the sixth resurrection and is called the First because it occurs before the seventh. How is that for circular reasoning or eisegesis or twisting Scripture to fit a false doctrine.
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Okay, seven.
But relate that to the OP. How many resurrections are in the book of Revelation?

percho · Apr 26, 2015

I voted 3.

1. Christ: Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

2. Found in at least 4 verses which I believe will take place at the same time: Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. V5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.V6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

3. The final: Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Side question, If I am correct, which resurrection will the thief on the cross be a part of? Considering:

Luke 23:42,43 and he said to Jesus, 'Remember me, lord, when thou mayest come in thy reign;' and Jesus said to him, 'Verily I say to thee To-day, with me thou shalt be in the paradise.'
Rev 2:7 He who is having an ear -- let him hear what the Spirit saith to the assemblies: To him who is overcoming -- I will give to him to eat of the tree of life that is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Rev 22:2,14 in the midst of its broad place, and of the river on this side and on that, is a tree of life, yielding twelve fruits, in each several month rendering its fruits, and the leaves of the tree are for the service of the nations; 'Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city;

Darrell C · Apr 27, 2015

OldRegular said: ↑

Jesus Christ had already raised Himself from the dead. He is the FIRST RESURRECTION and only Resurrection to date. The Second Resurrection, and the LAST RESURRECTION, is first described in John 5:28, 29 in the Words of Jesus Christ, as follows:

John 5:28, 29
28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Of course in John 6 Jesus Christ speaks of this Resurrection occurring at the Last Day, as follows:

John 6:39. And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 6:40. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:44. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:54. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

In the above Scripture Jesus Christ is talking about the resurrection of the Saints, the "true believers" at the LAST DAY, the Resurrection of John 5:28, 29, the Second and Last Resurrection!

The resurrection that Jesus Christ talks about in John 5:28, 29 above is shown again at the sound of the Seventh and Last Trumpet in Revelation

Revelation 11:15-19
15. And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17. Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Verse 15, above, is a restatement in part of that which the Apostle Paul wrote in:

1 Corinthians 15:20-28
20. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
24. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Revelation 11:15. The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Referring back to Revelation 11:18 above we see mention of the judgment, both of the servants of God, the Saints, and then of the unbeliever:

Revelation 11:18. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

We are shown a similar scene in

Revelation 20:11-15
11. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Anyone who attempts to understand the Book of Revelation as a chronological record of events is doomed to failure in understanding its message. That message is that the Saints, the "true believers", all the redeemed of all time, emerge triumphant over Satan and Evil through Jesus Christ our LORD!
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Its not surprising you do not address the question nor give courtesy to the request to deal with resurrections in Revelation.

Also not surprising you impose a resurrection in chapter 11 and fail to mention the resurrection and rapture of the Two Witnesses.

This is what happens when one does not follow the sequence given.

Thanks for the participation.

God bless.

Darrell C · Apr 27, 2015

revmwc said: ↑

Jesus is not the only one who has been resurrected we see, Matthew 27:52-53,
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

So these were part of the first resurrection. But the OP says in Revelation.

While it is not expressed as such in Revelation 4 the 24 elders represent the resurrection of the Church saints as well as those who are alive and remain.

Revelation 20 verse 4 coupled with verse 6, the resurrection of the Tribulation Saints take place.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Then we see the final resurrection of the unbelievers in Revelation 20.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Thus there are 3 total. 2 are part of the first which started with Christ and those seen in Matthew 27:52-53, then the church and finally the saints of the Tribulation.
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Thanks for the post and keeping the condition of the OP.

I am not sure I would include those in Heaven already, though I do agree the Church is there, but there is no specific mention or detail of a resurrection (i do see john called up to correspond to the rapture in the timeline). Also, I saw no mention of the Two Witnesses. And lastly do you view Antichrist as being resurrected or do you feel that may just be chicanery on his and Satan's part, not an actual resurrection?

God bless.

kyredneck · Apr 27, 2015

OldRegular said: ↑

....John F. Walvoord, a contemporary dispensational theologian, and former president of the Dallas Theological Seminary has t say about the number of resurrections. The information is excerpted from Major Bible Prophecies, page 376ff.

Seven, count them, seven resurrections and the First Resurrection of Revelation is actually the sixth resurrection and is called the First because it occurs before the seventh. How is that for circular reasoning or eisegesis or twisting Scripture to fit a false doctrine.
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Lol:

"After almost 10 years on this forum I have come to believe that no one can mutilate Scripture like a dispensationalist." OldRegular

It seems they go out of their way to convolute and make it as complicated as possible.

Darrell C · Apr 27, 2015

DHK said: ↑

Without going through it but just thinking about it:
I see the Resurrected Christ in chapter one: The Alpha and Omega.
I see the Resurrection of Two Witnesses in chapter 11.
I see the Resurrection of believers (the rapture), in the first resurrection, ch. 20
I see the Resurrection of unbelievers (the GWT), in the 2nd resurrection, ch. 20.

That is four.
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I'm a little surprised.

I myself would not include Christ's resurrection in the calculations. We see Him, but not the resurrection.

And how would you reconcile that only the dead in Christ are said to rise, presumably Tribulation Martyrs seeing they do not worship the beast? Do you feel the beast in Revelation is symbolic of a general principle applicable to all Church History and does not speak of a specific personage and events?

Thanks for the concise response and keeping the OP.

God bless.

Darrell C · Apr 27, 2015

kyredneck said: ↑

Lol:

"After almost 10 years on this forum I have come to believe that no one can mutilate Scripture like a dispensationalist." OldRegular

It seems they go out of their way to convolute and make it as complicated as possible.
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I'm sure there are other threads for you to mock and ridicule people in. Try to find one.

Or is it a goal to get this one shut down too?

God bless.

Darrell C · Apr 27, 2015

OldRegular said: ↑

There is nothing in Scripture that indicates these people had resurrection bodies and did not return to the grave. The passage I quote from 1 Corinthians 15 indicates that they were not resurrected.

I read the OP

That is nonsense and you pre-trib-rapture -ready-dispensationalists crow about literal interpretation. That passage speaks specifically of John, no one else. Trying to make this the so-called-"snatching away" of the Church is eisegesis at its very worst and beyond that it is silly!

John saw souls, not resurrection bodies.

There is only one more resurrection to come, that in John 5:28, 29. I have shown that from Scripture! You also might try to explain away the words LAST DAY that Jesus Christ used in HIS promise to "true believers"!
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You read the OP. So does that mean you do not feel you have to abide by the OPs request to discuss resurrection in Revelation alone?

You do this in every thread OR.

Abide by the request, please.

God bless.

Darrell C · Apr 27, 2015

OldRegular said: ↑

What about all the believers that died during the "mythical earthly millennial kingdom"!
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I believe they are possibly raised either upon death (glorified), or they are raised prior to the Great White Throne.

God bless.

Darrell C · Apr 27, 2015

OldRegular said: ↑

You need to take reading comprehension.
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Please refrain from personal attacks. Some of us would like to talk about the OP.

God bless.

Darrell C · Apr 27, 2015

revmwc said: ↑

No believer dies in the kingdom. It says they live for the whole of the 1000 years physically alive.

Except those who reject Christ, Isaiah 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

The child shall die an hundred years old, is the one who rejects Christ in the Kingdom. The sinner accursed at 100 is the believer in the Millennial who go back into sin and refuses to confess. Those who die in the Millennial will be unbelievers and they will be resurrected at the time of the Great White throne at the end of Chapter 20, along with those who at end align with satan and are destroyed.
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I take the position believers will die in the Kingdom. You don't think the above distinguishes between the deaths of believers and unbelievers?

God bless.

Darrell C · Apr 27, 2015

DHK said: ↑

What about them? Is that question germane to the OP?
If not, then it doesn't need an answer at this time.
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Agreed.

But maybe after we concentrate on the OP it might be an interesting side issue.

God bless.

Darrell C · Apr 27, 2015

OldRegular said: ↑

Ridiculous! I asked for Scripture to support your assertion that believers did not die during this "earthly millennial reign" and you post the above. You previously have claimed that these are the resurrected believers!:BangHead: They can't die again don't you know!
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Irrelevant. While it might be relevant to resurrection we are not given specific detail of their resurrection or lack thereof, thus cannot be calculated into the question posed in the OP.

OR said:

Nothing there states that believers do not die during the so-called-earthly-millennial reign!:laugh:
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It does show what the conditions of the Kingdom will be like, though. Conditions which have not been fufillefd yet.

Do you have something relevant to the OP?

God bless.

Darrell C · Apr 27, 2015

OldRegular said: ↑

You really should not take Scripture out of context!

Isaiah 65:17-24
17. For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19. And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20. There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21. And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22. They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23. They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
24. And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25. The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent’s meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Please note what verse 17 states!
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Interesting. You expect there will be sinners in the Eternal State.

Context...?

God bless.

Darrell C · Apr 27, 2015

revmwc said: ↑

Let me first apologize to the one who started the OP for the high jacking that has taken place.

I have never stated that it was just those resurrected from the Tribulation who will sit on thrones, or maybe what I said was not understood. Those on the thrones and those who live with Christ in the 1000 year reign are the church who as I have stated came back with Christ as the army in Revelation 19. They are those who were resurrected from the Tribulation and Old Testament Saints and they are also those who survived the Tribulation alive and are taken into the 1000 year reign of Christ. We know that the 144,000 Jews are alive because we are told they were sealed and could not be touched.

All Saints of all time will reign with Him.
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Don't apologize, my friend. I actually started this thread with an underlying goal of forcing our a-mil antagonists to actually address relevant issues or have their inability to do so...exposed.

God bless.

Darrell C · Apr 27, 2015

OldRegular said: ↑

Yes it is. You quoted verses 21-25 to show that there is no death during the so-called earthly millennial reign. That passage certainly does not apply to the millennial reign.
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It absolutely does, but again, return to Topic.

God bless.

Darrell C · Apr 27, 2015

OldRegular said: ↑

You can shuffle your feet all you want but John saw souls on thrones not resurrected bodies.
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Paul saw many souls on a ship...not immaterial persons without substance. A proper understanding of the Scriptural use of the word soul would help you understand there is no Biblical Basis for denying "souls" may refer to glorified saints.

Unless one thinks the Lord formed a body breathed a soul into him, and man became a living spirit.

But that is irrelevant unless we see them resurrected in Revelation.

As a reminder...that is the focus of the OP. You refused to address this in two other threads at least. If you continue to refuse in this one where the OP is specific to that issue, please excuse yourself from this thread and return to one your behavior attitude hasn't shut down.

God bless.

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