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  1. ntchristian

    ntchristian Active Member

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    There is no Calvinism in the scriptures or the early church.
     
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    That's my position, too.
     
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    They were Catholic to the core. There was a forming institutional church with a hierarchical structure. No one was allowed to "go their own way", to decide things for themselves based on their own interpretation of what scriptures were then available to them. They also had a set liturgical form of worship, with the altar of sacrifice as the focus of worship, not the pulpit.
     
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    No kidding. Calvin is just like you, me, the pope, the bishop of Moscow, etc...a person who read scripture and made observation. What doesn't change is scripture. This is why we all go to scripture and make our argument from scripture.
    Let me ask you. When was the last time I quoted John Calvin? If John Calvin never lived, would the teachings of God choosing, electing and predestinating still be found in scripture? Yes.
    Would salvation by infant baptism be found in scripture? No.
    When we observe scripture we can then discuss what God means. When we cling to human commentary (catechism) above scripture we cling to secondary writings above primary source writings.
    So let's stick to scripture. If others agree with our biblical position that's worth noting. If we hold a view no one has held, that should be a red flag of warning. Calvin made biblical observations of scripture regarding salvation that I also make. Calvin also made some observations that I do not make regarding prophesy. This is just common sense. We wrestle with scripture and seek to know the mind and the will of God. Hopefully most of us, though we disagree on scripture exegesis, are seeking to know the mind and the will of God.
     
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    This is just patently biased and false on your part. Where do we see an altar of sacrifice in Acts? Do we see Peter knocking on a house church door to go focus on an altar of sacrifice constructed in the back yard?
    We read from Paul that there were a variety of songs being sung and being created.

    Ephesians 5:17-21 Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit, addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ.

    People weren't forced into one shoe size. Paul commends people for questioning his teaching and demanding scripture for verification.

    Acts 17:10-12 The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue. Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so. Many of them therefore believed, with not a few Greek women of high standing as well as men.

    As for the term catholic, if you are using it as meaning universal, then we agree that God has one means by which we are saved. That one means is universally true. It is catholic.
    If you are saying that Rome teaches universal truth...you speak a bold faced lie that is proven false by scripture and by history.
     
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    Well, I disagree with Calvin's teachings, but your comments in this post are good.
     
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    Have you actually read what he wrote or is it just hearsay from a discussion forum?
     
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    Hmm...you seem to be arguing with a phantom I your own mind, utilyan.
     
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    "So."
    There, I said it.
    (I bet you are still not going to believe it.)
     
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    paul would disagree with you on that!
     
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    Jesus and the Apostles all taught what would be codified later on as being Cavinistic theology!
     
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    They restored back the true Gospel, and from my Baptist perspective, did not get away from roman view on sacraments and eschatology enough!
     
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    I have read Calvin and other Calvinist writing.
     
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    Paul was a Calvinist - right! :Biggrin
     
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    There is no trace of Calvinist theology in the apostolic age.
     
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    In the scriptures there is, and that is all that counts!
     
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    Chief of sinners became chief of all Calvinists!
     
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    ”My sheep know my voice...”
     
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    The scriptures are from the apostolic age.
     
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    I have 1.2 billion to confirm YOU are the nut. Even among protestants.
     
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