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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by franklinmonroe, Dec 10, 2008.

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Inspired Scripture (the 'Bible') is a result from ___?

  1. Fully God (Man was merely an instrument)

    16 vote(s)
    47.1%

  2. Mostly God, but Man had some input in places

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%

  3. About equal, half God & half Human

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  4. Mostly Human, but God did some directing

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  5. Fully Human (God took no direct part)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  6. Both fully God & fully Human

    17 vote(s)
    50.0%

  7. Uncertain/None of the above/Other

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. franklinmonroe

    franklinmonroe Active Member

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    I'm not going to attempt to frame this question with a bunch of rhetoric; people may just answer as they personally understand the poll question along with its' possible answers.
     
    #1 franklinmonroe, Dec 10, 2008
  2. franklinmonroe

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    Thanks for participating, folks!
     
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  3. Jim1999

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    Not one had a verbal response. It is a really tough question to answer without being misunderstood.

    I will be first, however. I answered fully God and fully man. Whilst we have the hindsight that all scripture is given by inspiration, we do not have all the details on how that was instrumented. I cannot help but believe that some men expressed their understanding of events, but God directed their responses in accord with His determinative will.

    We see the failings of man, and at the same time we see the hand of God.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
    #3 Jim1999, Dec 12, 2008
  4. Amy.G

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    I voted fully man and fully God.

    The scriptures weren't written by the finger of God, as were the commandments given to Moses. They were "inspired".

    God inspired the words written by the authors, yet the words reflect the character and personality of the authors.

    For God's own reasons, He has always desired that man work alongside Him to accomplish His purposes.
     
    #4 Amy.G, Dec 12, 2008
  5. annsni

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    I could not answer the pll in the way it's worded:

    Fully God (Man was merely an instrument)     But we do see that each person's personality came through in their writings - so I don't think that man was a "pen"

    Mostly God, but Man had some input in places I wouldn't say that man had "input" because then that would make some of Scripture not inspired since some would be written by man and not God.

    About equal, half God & half Human See above

    Mostly Human, but God did some directing Absolutely not

    Fully Human (God took no direct part) Absolutely not

    Both fully God & fully Human     This describes Jesus Christ - not the Scriptures

    Uncertain/None of the above/Other So this would have to be my choice.
     
    #5 annsni, Dec 13, 2008
  6. Jim1999

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    I think of the scriptures where Paul says he speaks as a man,,it is his opinion, his judgement. So, in our Bibles we do have the direct thoughts of man, yet recorded in the scriptures. We have tradition that plays a vital role in understanding. Did God create that tradition, or simply allow it to happen under His permissive will?

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
    #6 Jim1999, Dec 13, 2008
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    Fully God using Man the way God designed the man...
    IOWS, we see Paul's personality coming through the message that God gave him to write...
     
    #7 tinytim, Dec 13, 2008
  8. Marcia

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    I'm with you, annsni. I voted for the first one with reservations because I don't believe the Bible was verbally dictated. I do think God used the authors' personalities and styles, but the first one was the closest.
     
    #8 Marcia, Dec 13, 2008
  9. franklinmonroe

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    Thanks for voting! Now a question: Why couldn't this describe both Logos of God?
     
    #9 franklinmonroe, Dec 13, 2008
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    The Revelation is fully Divine, but the Language is fully Human.
     
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    The Scriptures is not God.
     
    #11 annsni, Dec 13, 2008
  12. franklinmonroe

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    I'm not trying to badger you, but that is essentially what you said in the first place. Can you elaborate on why can't it apply both?
     
    #12 franklinmonroe, Dec 13, 2008
  13. annsni

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    The Word was written fully by God. But it is not fully God. It was written fully by God but through the personality and hand of the writers. The Word is not human either. While humans wrote it, they did not have "input" as if they could decide what God should say or not.
     
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  14. Marcia

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    Jesus and the Bible are not one and the same. It always gets me that so many on the BB equate Jesus with God's written word. In fact, this is one of the tactics of liberals and the emerging church to undermine the Bible - Jesus as the "Word" is superior to the Bible.

    We are asked to believe God - both His word and to believe on Jesus Christ. Both are true and eternal but they are not the same thing.
     
    #14 Marcia, Dec 13, 2008
  15. Jim1999

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    If we say the bible is fully God and excludes man in the writing, what do we do with such verses as 1 Cor 7:6 where Paul says he is writing with permission,,,,,,,,,but it is his own opinion..........and not the law (the word).

    Several times Paul speaks as a man..........and gives an opinion.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    But even that is of God, since he requested permission of God.
     
    #16 TCGreek, Dec 13, 2008
  17. Jim1999

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    Are you saying Paul was on actual speaking terms with God?

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
    #17 Jim1999, Dec 13, 2008
  18. Dr. Bob

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    Voted #1 - fully God. God actually DID dictate part of the Word, but every Word was "God-breathed" as God guided man to write the exact WORDS He wanted. Not just general thoughts or ideas. Actual WORDS.

    The synergistic God AND man option was untenable to me, since it places the mind of man in a position to change/add or "breath" his own words and we would be deceived into thinking God "breathed" those man-made words.
     
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  19. Jim1999

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    Dr. Bob, Why do you think Paul specified that he was giving his own opinion in certain scriptures?

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
    #19 Jim1999, Dec 14, 2008
  20. Dr. Bob

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    That's what Paul was thinking. It was his opinion. God, of course, guided the exact WORDS Paul wrote even though Paul wasn't considering that.

    So EVERY Word Paul wrote - whether he thought them inspired (breathed of God) or not - were fully and equally inspired.
     
    #20 Dr. Bob, Dec 14, 2008
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