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How Old Is The Earth?

Discussion in 'Creation vs. Evolution' started by Phillip Diller, Jun 6, 2020.

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  1. dad2

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    Not sure what you are saying here. You seem to be saying that you need to interpret the bible in a way that adds some time not mentioned and creation not mentioned in order to accommodate some 'evidence'?
     
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    There is a gap of time. Every one on earth is looking at the wrong day, trying to make a gap fit. Nothing existed prior to day 1. No gap there. The gap is the 7th day. It is 1000 years that God set aside for a perfect creation to multiply perfectly. God told us to remember that time, but all humanity forgot.
     
  3. dad2

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    So how does that work? If the first 6 days were days and the seventh was 1000 years, that would have ended before the flood, which was, say, something like 1600 years after creation. This doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.
     
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    HORSE FEATHERS!

    Let's start with T-Rex. Seen any live ones lately? How about Diplodocus ? Stegasaur? And, more recently, mastodons ? Chalicotheres? Saber-tooth cat?

    I, and many others here, could make a list of extinct species a mile long, so don't act so stupid when you KNOW BETTER.

    The BIBLE says Noah took a pair of EVERY LAND ANIMAL & BIRD, so, it was either physically possible, or the Bible is wrong. I'm guessing that most of the animals were babies, & God put them in estivation, as there wouldn't be enough food for all, let alone that they'd fight.

    USE SOME COMMON SENSE !
     
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    God's spirit moved over THE FACE OF THE WATERS, so earth was already here.
     
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    And no one can explain the fact that light eons old reaches us from other stars & galaxies every night & fit that into 6K years.

    God let us discover & measure the speeda light for a reason.
     
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    Adam was literally on earth for 1000 years. The age "countdown" started when Adam was placed in the Garden. Adam was placed in the Garden 130 years before Seth was born. The Flood happened 2500 years after creation week, not 1500 years.
     
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    Guesswork.
     
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    Satan can. Satan is the author of confusion.
     
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    I guess you will find out soon enough.
     
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    There is no common sense when it comes to the gap theory. It's all over the place, adding to Scripture, and it doesn't even appease naturalistic theories, as it was meant to.
     
  12. dad2

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    That was after He created the heavens AND EARTH.
     
  13. dad2

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    I can. Time may not exist in the distant universe as we know it here. Nothing therefore could take great time. The time comes in after it gets here.
     
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    I thought he lived 930 years. Have you chapter and verse that says otherwise?
    Says...who? One would think it started when he came to be alive.

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    I must assume or believe to be true that the information about dates does exist in the Bible (otherwise I would not start to look).

    I must assume that such information is reliable and the writers did not set out to deceive. (This assumption must be made about any historical document before it is examined.) Therefore if I find apparent contradictory evidence in the text, I will first assume that a problem exists in my understanding rather than the text.

    Thirdly, I assume that since the Bible is God’s revealed word to man, it is accurate and therefore will not conflict with true historical information derived from outside the Biblical text.

    Lastly, I assume that the best way of using information from one part of the Bible is to use it the way the Biblical writers used it or referred to it in other parts of the Bible.

    Now back to our problem. Since we exist in the present, we are really trying to find information that will enable us to add up the years between us and Noah’s Flood. As our starting point we will take the Birth of Christ. It is unlikely anyone will dispute that Christ was born approximately 1,984 years ago. Since Christ is recorded as having referred to Noah’s Flood as a past event it should be obvious that we need data that will take us back beyond 2,000 years.

    The next date we can put down with reliable certainty is 967 BC or 2,948 years ago. This is the date at which Solomon laid the foundation of the Temple (1 Kings 6:1). For those who are interested in the detailed evidence as to why this event can be placed in 967 BC I would refer you to Professor Edwin Thiele’s work The Mysterious Numbers of the Hebrew Kings. His work can be summarized by the statement that both the chronology of the Ancient Assyrian Culture and the Biblical record point to this date. The first verse of Kings chapter 6 is also useful in that it tells us there was a time span of 480 years Appendix 1) from the time Israel left Egypt (the Exodus) until Solomon began to build the Temple.

    The Exodus occurred therefore roughly 1,981 + 967 + 480 years ago Appendix 2) or 3,428 years ago or 1447 BC ± 1 year. Why do I say +/- 1 year?

    As the chronologist compares the family trees or chronologies in the Bible, it is interesting to note that these lists use only whole years (e.g. Gen. 11). Now if a person is listed as being 44 years of age when their son was born, they may have been just 44 or nearly 45. Anywhere in this period of 12 months they are still 44. This introduces a margin of error of up to 12 months or 1 year for each person or event in such a list.

    As the Bible records the Flood a significant time before the Exodus, let us examine data which will take us back before this event.

    Paul, a university trained Jew, well skilled in the Hebrew language, the religion of the Jews and the writings of Moses, wrote in the early years of the Christian era, a letter to the church at Galatia (Galatians 3:17). He stated that the Israelites left Egypt to return to the promised land 430 years Appendix 3) after God gave the promise to Abraham, the founder of the Jewish race.

    According to Acts 7:4 and Genesis 12:1-4, Abraham was 75 years old when God gave him the promise and in the same year his father Terah was 205 years old and Abraham was born when Terah was 130 years of age (Gen.11:26-33). Appendix 4.)

    The statements of genealogy in Genesis 11:10-26, are father-son statements and link Abraham to Noah’s son, Shem. The statements list the persons by name. Their year of birth against their father’s age is listed and their father is named. These chronologies do not have missing generations; there are no gaps.

    If we add up the figures mentioned between Shem’s 100th year (Gen. 11:10) and Abraham (Gen. 11:26) we get 350 years. Since 9 names are mentioned it is 350 years ± 9 (9 margins of error of up to 1 year each).

    Genesis 11:10 tells us that Shem was 100 years old, 2 years after the Flood had finished. When was Noah’s Flood? 1,981 years to AD 1 plus 967 years to the founding of Solomon’s Temple plus 480 years to the end of the Exodus plus 430 years to the promise to Abraham plus 75 years to Abraham’s birth plus 350 years to Shem’s 100th birthday plus 2 years to the Flood. The Biblical data places the Flood at 2304 BC ± 11 years.

    This date is, as expected, in conflict with secular archaeology which regards the Flood as either local or a myth and the Biblical chronologies as irrelevant or inaccurate.

    The placing of a catastrophic global flood in the year 2304 BC means that all civilizations discovered by archaeology must fit into the last 4,285 years."

    The Date of Noah’s Flood - creation.com


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    God created everything. Genesis 1–2 0
    Adam became the father of Seth at 130. Genesis 5:3 0 + 130 = 130
    Seth became the father of Enosh at 105. Genesis 5:6 130 + 105 = 235
    Enosh became the father of Kenan at 90. Genesis 5:9 235 + 90 = 325
    Cainan became the father of Mahalalel at 70. Genesis 5:12 325 + 70 = 395
    Mahalalel became the father of Jared at 65. Genesis 5:15 395 + 65 = 460
    Jared became the father of Enoch at 162. Genesis 5:18 460 + 162 = 622
    Enoch became the father of Methuselah at 65. Genesis 5:21 622 + 65 = 687
    Methuselah became the father of Lamech at 187. Genesis 5:25 687 + 187 = 874
    Lamech became the father of Noah at 182. Genesis 5:28 874 + 182 = 1056
    The Flood started when Noah was 600. Genesis 7:6 1056 + 600 = 1656"

    Timeline for the Flood

    And who says how long Adam was in the garden?

    "One question often pondered is the amount of time that passed between Adam’s creation and his fall into sin. Ultimately Scripture is not explicit on this issue, so no conclusion should be dogmatic."

    How Long Was Adam in the Garden?
     
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    Your science is extinct. You just repeat Darwinism talking points over and over. No one believes what you do anymore.
     
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    Did you get this info via special revelation?
     
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    Gap theory is just 19th century speculation by Chalmers in Scotland. He agreed that Genesis was wrong and that the atheistic Enlightenment was right that the earth is millions and millions of years old. However, science no longer supports Chalmers but he did manage to empty out the churches worldwide. If God was wrong in Genesis, then all Scripture is baseless.
     
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    I tend to share this view. I think old earth compromise has merely caused many people, including young people, from considering the Bible as a source of truth.
     
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    It’s not what was taught by Messianic believers during the same era.
     
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    My point is, torpedo gap theology that is based on the need for dinosaur space is like taking candy from a babe. But refuting the existence of a gap between vs 1-2 betokens unworthy scholarship. There is a gap and it need not have been very long at all. God does not create things void and waste as taught by Isaiah. And each time tohu n bohu is used in the Hebrew text it always refers to a judgement upon the earth. The judgement was against the dominion of the evil one resulting in the first worldwide flood that left earth submerged. Now, if you don’t want to believe that, then fine. But save me the refutations aimed at old earthers.
     
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