How to salvage OSAS in view of Rom 11 and 2Tim2

I have reading posts argue between Bob and J.J. about 'deny Christ'.

I would like to show you a good passage does matter with the issue of deny Christ.

Matthew 19:16-30 talking about the rich man came and asked Christ, what he shall do to have eternal life.

Verse 16 - "And behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have ETERNAL LIFE?"

The rich man doesn't ask Christ what he shall do to have millennial life. Because, millennial teaching was not find anywhere in the Old Testament books during Christ's time.

Rich man understoods 'eternal life' simple means there shall be everlasting life beyond death which is speak of future final destiny.

Verse 17 - "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is God: but if thou wilt enter life, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS."

Then, man asked Christ of verse 18-

"He saith unto Him, 'Which'?' He asked Christ, wanted to know which one of the commandments, that he ought to do.

Then, Christ asnwered to him; verse 18b, 19-

"Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not bear false witness, honour thy father and thy mother: and thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

Man asked Christ of verse 20 -

"All these things have I kept from y youth up: what lack I yet?"

Man told Christ, that he did keep the commandments in his youth, but he wanted to know what thing he misses of the commandment.

Then, Christ said to him of verse 21-

"If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: COME AND FOLLOW ME."

Christ told him, if he desires to be growing or being maturing, then he would go and to sell his things to the poors, so shall have rich blessings from above, and come and to FOLLOW Christ.

Christ already know that man was a wealthy have everything and his possession. He tested man's heart & his faith. Understand, Christ is omniscience means, he already know everything before things to be happened, like as before the rich man came and ask Him.

Then next verse 22-

"But when the young man heard that saying, he WENT AWAY sorrowful: for he had great possessions."

The rich man heard Christ's words, he was bitter and refuse to give up his possessions, because he do not have FAITH in Christ, he worried over his own earthy things.

Then, Christ said to disciples - verse 23-24

"Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall HARDLY enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."

Christ used two characters- rich man & camel. Christ knows camel's character, it is humble, easily to obey and patience all the times, no complain. Camels are in Middle East, carrying heavy load on their back, walking long journey over the desert. Camel refuses to stop or being complain for being carrying heavy load on its back during long journey in the desert during hot weather. Christ uses rich man's character, shows that he is pride, always complain over small things, easy worry over them, have no faith in God, also, being be selfish all the times.

Matt. 19:16-30 teaching us, that we must deny our own life, and come to follow Christ with faith, then shall have eternal life. This passage is a matter with eternal salvation & conditional.

I urge you to read whole context of Matthew 16:16-28, so, you will understand what Christ was talking about.

Also, Christ told his disciples, they have to forsake family, things, yield up their life, and come to follow Christ. Or, if any refuse to deny life, then cannot be Christ's disciple. That mean, if any person deny Christ(refuse come and to follow Christ) then cannot have eternal life!!!!!

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

Such a long post and you do nothing but show your misunderstanding of Scripture. Again like I said in another post you need to quit relying on the translations of man and go back to the original language and see what the word was.

Again the word was aionios, which most often means age-lasting. There are actually very, very few times that it is used as eternal in a particular context.

This is not one of them. And the way that we can know that is by the question that was asked. The question was what shall I do. Scripture clearly tells us that eternal salvation is not based on what I do, but rather on what Christ has done for me!

Context, Context, Context!

 

Exactly correct. Deny Christ and go to heaven anyway is not in Scripture, because mankind's eternal destiny is not heaven. Very little time will be spent in heaven.

And you are right on the button in the second statement. If you deny Christ you will not receive millenial life.

 

Yes...that's what the Bible says.

No...the Bible says deny Christ and He will deny you. It doesn't say He will take away your eternal life. There is no Scripture that I have found that says eternal life is forfeitable or any example of it being taken away.