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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by 2 Timothy2:1-4, Apr 24, 2007.

  1. Magnetic Poles

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    Well, that ridiculous assertion just about made me spew orange juice all over my computer. Gosh, how I miss those school days, starting each day with a salute to the Soviet flag and learning under a giant portrait of Joseph Stalin.
     
  2. MrJim

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    Kinda surprised to see so many gun control people here...

    <<...reminds me that I need to renew my concealed carry permit this year...>>

    Just wonderin'-are gun control people here also pro-choice? They usually hang out at the same parties...
     
  3. Bro. Curtis

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    I have a NRA sticker on my front door. I wonder how many pro-control folks have "Gun Free Household" stickers on theirs ?
     
  4. Salty

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    I do - I really thought it would help stop the violence in my neighborhood but...:laugh:
     
  5. MrJim

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    I've found that it's probably best not to advertise that you're a gun owner-you can't always be home and it can make you a target.
     
  6. Baptist Believer

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    Speaking of inane commentary...

    Moderates generally have major philosophical/moral issues with the extremes of both liberalism and conservatism and believe that there is often a better, more sensible way to deal with the pressing issues of the day. They likely hold very so-called "conservative" viewpoints on some issues and so-called "liberal" viewpoints on other issues, yet have a consistent worldview without philosophical/moral/theological contradictions.

    Of course, moderates get attacked and mischaracterized by the extremists of both sides, so they don't generally don't have much respect for "party line" thinking/politics.

    And to take it back to the original subject... I am considering getting a conceal/carry permit.
     
  7. MrJim

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    Does TX require classes?
     
  8. Bro. Curtis

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    I have a big dog, and he knows how to shoot....

    Seriously, I have never felt like a target. But I do live in a pretty safe place.
     
  9. Baptist Believer

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    Yes, there are required gun safety courses as well as education regarding legal and tactical issues.
     
  10. Salty

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  11. hillclimber1

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    Fortunately not everyone will react as you. There are many examples of armed people saving lives. Go to the NRA website.

    Classrooms very much seem the place for citizenry to be carrying. This is a prime example of the adage, "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have them". If only one armed, trained individual had been there, many lives could have been saved.
     
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    More absurdity.
     
  13. hillclimber1

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    Here is what the Lord says about moderates:

    Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
     
  14. Magnetic Poles

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    SO I guess God only hangs around with extremists. Or what an out of context use of scripture. I'm betting its the latter.
     
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    Joe's Insurance

    It's OK Dorothy! This is the way it is in Kansas:
    We have to get a license for a gun.
    We have to get a license for a car, but......
    they let just anybody have babies.

    It's a wonderful world we live in.
    Bartimaeus:laugh:
     
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    That's right. They put "banned" under their picture. :)
     
  17. Baptist Believer

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    No He doesn't say that about moderates.

    He says that about people who are neither hot nor cold in their spiritual passion.

    You are simply twisting His words, and that's very sad if you're doing it unintentionally. And if you're doing it intentionally, that's blasphemous.

    Neither the "hot" nor "cold" described here have anything to do with the modern political spectrum and, for what it is worth, the Kingdom of God does not directly correspond to contemporary American political parties.

    Moderates tend to make the extremists on both sides angry because they won't tie themselves to either side, because they cannot accept elements of either side -- and they have too much backbone to just go along with the crowd. (And frankly, I don't take any special pride in the term "moderate," since I think of myself more as a radical, a person concerned with "root" issues.)
     
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    ..........
     
  19. Baptist Believer

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    What you believe about it may be true in a few circumstances, but in most cases a person is a "moderate" because they actually have a backbone and is willing to take stands that are likely unpopular among extremists of both sides because they are led by very strong convictions.

    I find myself labeled a moderate because I am trying to live my life according to Christ's calling. Here's a couple of convictions I have that chap people on both the left and the right:

    - I strongly support the institutional separation of church and state because I am convinced it is the best way to protect the New Testament ideal of religious liberty. I believe in a free church in a free state, where the state does not use the influence of the church for its goals, nor the church use the power of the state to further its goals.

    - I strongly support the right of citizens to possess firearms. I believe that citizens should have access to an inexpensive certification program that teaches firearm safety and usage (similar to basic NRA firearms training) and that children should learn to use firearms at a fairly young age so they won't be taken in by the way popular culture (movies and television, especially) depict shooting at people as having very little consequence. (I never understood how the A-Team could shoot so many rounds of ammunition yet never hit anyone with even a fragment or a ricochet!)

    I can discuss these issues at length (and in depth) and explain my position, yet neither the "liberal" side nor the "conservative" side will generally embrace me because of one or the other positions -- even though those positions do not conflict in any way! Therefore, I live my American political life as a so-called "moderate," thinking for myself and taking abuse from reactionaries from both sides.

    Therefore, your allegation that moderates "have no backbone and can't take a stand on anything" is just ridiculous.
     
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