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  1. Salty

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    We often know what we believe, but we just don't know WHY we believe it.

    Excellent post, Roger

    Salty

    ps, the only time I support abortion is when the baby chooses it - therefore, I am truly Pro-choice!
     
  2. Jim1999

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    Discussion is two-sided, so obviously it will not happen here. The whole topic should be banned in all fairness.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  3. John Toppass

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    The topic should not be banned! This action by the BB just makes one state that if they side with satan then they must claim it as opinion because the lie is not a fact.
     
  4. Jim1999

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    Debate is pointless!

    Cheers,

    Jim:tonofbricks:
     
  5. Marcia

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    I am wondering this part should be amended:

    Statements of fact that would contradict the board’s position on this issue will be edited or deleted entirely.

    Shouldn't it say: Statements that claim to be factual that contradict the board's position....etc.

    or

    Statements that claim to present facts that contradict the board's position....etc.

    Otherwise, it sounds as the board is acknowledging there are facts which contradict the board's view that life begins at conception.
     
  6. Aaron

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    Jim1999 is absolutely correct in this thread. To remain consistent (and honest), you need to ban the topic altogether, or allow people to state the facts as they see them.
     
  7. Jim1999

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    Nevermind...I deleted my own message....................duh!

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    Listen, If you don't want to come to a prolife board, leave.. .
    If you want to consistently fight for Satan.. don't expect any sympathy from me...

    The Bible is clear that life begins at conception. The owner of this board believes that. The administration of the board believes that... WE are guests here... Nothing more.

    The orthodox belief of all denominations is that life begins at conception because it is biblical.

    To state otherwise is not orthodox.

    Bottom line, if you want to change the rule... Buy the board.
     
  9. Revmitchell

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    Or start your own it is relatively inexpensive
     
  10. Aaron

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    Who worded this cumbersome, ambiguous ganglion? Summed up this just says the webmaster (capitalized?) gets to define controversy and deem certain controversies "inappropriate." Has it been any other way? No, but this is, in effect, a recension of all prior rules.

    Again, not arguing his right to do so on his own webpage (to which I've never donated, and whose advertising I've effectively zapped by editing my hosts file), just pointing out that the qualities that made this board a superior forum in which to interact are waning. Can you imagine how it will be once all we get to do is applaud tinytim's jesus-doll endeavors and annsni's girls prancing about on stage?

    What's the next controversy to be deemed inappropriate? Skirts and pants? Headcoverings and veils? Homosexual "marriage?" Feminism? One used to have a reasonable expectation. But, alas, that of which I warned you in 2007 is coming to pass: http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=42673
     
  11. Revmitchell

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    Yes not being able to say that one believes in abortion is just going to destroy this board.:rolleyes:
     
  12. Jim1999

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    I have a mirror I could send. It is slightly broken, but that shouldn't change your non-debate.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  13. JamieinNH

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    I guess the next thing to straighten out is war. Since this is in the Statement of Faith of this board I think we should ban anyone from stating we should be at war, or that the war is justified.


    Snip from SofF:

    [SIZE=-1]It is the duty of Christians to seek peace with all men on principles of righteousness. In accordance with the spirit and teachings of Christ they should do all in their power to put an end to war.

    The way I read and understand this, no one can be 'pro' war on this board because it's the duty and principles for us all to put an end to war.

    So, is this the next thing banned from discussion?



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  14. Marcia

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    Are you a pacifist? And does scripture demand that?

    If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Rom 12.18
     
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    You have me to thank for the wording of this amendment to Posting Rule #2. The final revision will replace Statements of fact with Opinions, stated as fact, so as not to be confusing. We want people to continue expressing their opinions as long as they do not contradict clearly revealed, biblical truths. There can be no debate as to when life begins, because the Word of God is very clear on the matter. Each one is entitled to their own opinion and even the free expression of that opinion relative to this issue. Nothing has changed in that regard.
     
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    Everything has changed. Not everyone believes the Bible teaches what you say it clearly teaches, and it has no answer as to how Jesus could be born sin free through a human mother. Sorry, some have been stifled from another biblical viewpoint, which places everyone else as a reprobate. That is apprehensible. repugnant and discriminatory, not biblical.


    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    Does the fact that some do not believe truth change the fact of that truth? We both know that it does not.

    I disagree. The fact of the immaculate conception allowed Jesus to be born free from the curse handed down from an earthly father. The fundamental doctrine of the Virgin Birth is the clear answer to that issue.

    Not in the least. You may present your position and supporting scriptures just as before. I have seen no scriptural support for the viewpoint that life begins at birth. I can show you a multitude of scripture that clearly teaches that life begins at conception. Therefore, no biblical viewpoint has been stifled. Only an erroneous, unbiblical conclusion has been stifled.

    Not so. It makes them misinformed and hermeneutically lacking relative to this specific issue. One must either completely ignore or grossly misinterpret scripture to arrive at a different conclusion.

    On the contrary, it is imperative to "contend for the faith." False teaching must be spoken against. Rightly dividing the Word of truth must be the priority.
     
  18. EdSutton

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    Don't the majority of posts in all the 'Debate' threads attempt to pass off someone's 'opinion' as 'fact'?

    Ed
     
  19. JamieinNH

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    I was for the most part being funny with my post.. When people are so tied up that they can't or won't debate a topic and make it "off limits" or restrict it to a degree that makes it off limits then we have already started to lose.

    I don't understand the need to censor or make silly rules in the first place. Debate the topic with the Bible as our reference. I have suggested that we have a set debate forum where two people can come and debate a topic using a set of agreed upon rules, time limit, references etc. I have seen this on other non Christian boards and the amount of solid information one can gain from that is far far greater than the fighting and snipping we have over here.

    Abortion, Divorce, War, Polictics, Alochol, Men v Women, you name it we can drum up thread after thread of the same ole same ole...

    Instead of creating rules to silence one side of the other, how about set up a proper debate forum and let people debate it out in a real debate format.

    That would be a better example of teaching and helping the lurkers than we have now.

    But, back to my comments, yes I was joking but could have been serious if I chose to. The topic of a Just war is just as damaging as abortion and it is in the BB Statement of Faith so why shouldn't we be expected to follow that rule too? I will tell you why.. because rules are made to be followed only when the need is seen fit... What good is a statement of faith when you don't follow what you print?
     
  20. JamieinNH

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    Yes you are exactly right.. So one has to wonder what is the next 'update' to the rules... I have suggested it be the topic of just wars....
     
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