I Cor 14:1-33

Michelle,

First of all I was not referring to anything you said, but to the original post. The world does not revolve around you. I don't care if you are KJVO or MV, there is no way a serious Bible student or teacher could come up with what MJ shared from the text. For the KJVOist to let this one fly just because he is on your "side" is disingenuious. Just be honest with the text. There is no question the above text has nothing to do with Bible versions. That is the point of the OP, before you got on this thread and never dealt with the original statement, but again tried to hi-jack the thread.

Bro Tony

 

1. wrong.
2-8. moot, since 1 is wrong.

 

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For the KJVOist to let this one fly just because he is on your "side" is disingenuious. Just be honest with the text. There is no question the above text has nothing to do with Bible versions. That is the point of the OP, before you got on this thread and never dealt with the original statement, but again tried to hi-jack the thread.

Bro Tony
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I think the origional post has everything to do with this issue, as it is a scriptural example of the whole issue is about confusion in the churches. I am sorry do not seem to understand this FACT.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

From the NIV:

1 Corinthians 14


Gifts of Prophecy and Tongues

1Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. 2For anyone who speaks in a tongue[1] does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit.[2] 3But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort. 4He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5I would like every one of you to speak in tongues,[3] but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues,[4] unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.
6Now, brothers, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the flute or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and he is a foreigner to me. 12So it is with you. Since you are eager to have spiritual gifts, try to excel in gifts that build up the church.
13For this reason anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind. 16If you are praising God with your spirit, how can one who finds himself among those who do not understand[5] say "Amen" to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you are saying? 17You may be giving thanks well enough, but the other man is not edified.
18I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
20Brothers, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. 21In the Law it is written:
"Through men of strange tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me,"[6] says the Lord.
22Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers. 23So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who do not understand[7] or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24But if an unbeliever or someone who does not understand[8] comes in while everybody is prophesying, he will be convinced by all that he is a sinner and will be judged by all, 25and the secrets of his heart will be laid bare. So he will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, "God is really among you!"

Orderly Worship

26What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church. 27If anyone speaks in a tongue, two--or at the most three--should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. 28If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God.
29Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. 33For God is not a God of disorder but of peace.


Footnotes


14:2 Or another language; also in verses 4, 13, 14, 19, 26 and 27
14:2 Or by the Spirit
14:5 Or other languages; also in verses 6, 18, 22, 23 and 39
14:5 Or other languages; also in verses 6, 18, 22, 23 and 39
14:16 Or among the inquirers
14:21 Isaiah 28:11,12
14:23 Or some inquirers
14:24 Or or some inquirer

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AVL1984

 

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michelle said "nor am I not remembering correctly"

Yet you are unable to remember which version "was indicated".

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Yes. In fact I acknowledged this and why. But I have also acknowledge the fact that I remembered the rest and why. You can feel free to take my word for it, or think me to be a liar. Either way, you have missed the point.

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michelle said "The only reason I remember it, is because I witnessed this with my own two eyes and was horrifed at it."

But what did you witness? You did not witness the translation itself, in your own hands. You witnessed a slide projected onto a screen. Someone had to make that slide. It is very likely that the slide was not an accurate representation of what was in the indicated translation, that someone made a mistake in creating the slide.
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Again, you have missed the point, and assuming something other than what I have said which was not the case. I am quite frankly tired of hearing the excuses for omittions of God's word of truth. I am also quite shocked that not one of you seemed to be bothered by this at all.


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michelle said "Secondly, you are TOTALLY MISSING THE POINT."

Perhaps I am. What is the point I am missing? That someone had a wonky interpretation of scripture, and that you personally got confused because of it and a difference between a projected slide and your KJV? I'm asking honestly.
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Yes, indeed you are, and I cannot help you understand it, anymore that what has already been given and shared. If you stopped trying to come up with reasons and excuses to avoid the OBVIOUS, you then would not miss the point. I recommend you go back and read all the posts, and think about confusion and what exactly confusion is.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Fact??

This is far fetched even for some of our regulars.

Since the passage was written in Greek if this interpretation is true than anything other than Greek causes confusion.

 

michelle said "I think the origional post has everything to do with this issue, as it is a scriptural example of the whole issue is about confusion in the churches. I am sorry do not seem to understand this FACT."

Ah, but the confusion in Bible versions is not due to differing text, but differing interpretations of the texts. Perhaps what is needed is not a single agreed-upon translation, but a single agreed-upon interpretation.

 

Your right of course If I understood, then I would understand.

You continually make no sense.

Bro Tony

 

Amen!

AVL1984

 

Typical same old EXCUSES to avoid the OBVIOUS.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

No, it is not "FACT" - the first post has to do with someone's wrongful interpretation of the passage. The passage has nothing to do with Bible versions/translations. The passage clearly deals with the same gift of tongues given in Acts 2. The Corinthian church was allowing anyone to speak in tongues anytime and without interpretation. Paul set out an ordely way the gift could be exercised that wouldn't cause confusion.

If you think that having more than one Bible version/translation causes confusion, how do you account for the differing interpretations of groups that only use the KJV? Certainly not all of them can be right.

 

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Paul set out an ordely way the gift could be exercised that wouldn't cause confusion.

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This is the point of this thread that you seem to be missing regarding this issue.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

No, the point is that this passage has nothing to do with Bible versions/translations.

How do you explain all the differing interpretations among christians that use the KJV only?

 

Well Bro Tony, i heard a great joke.
To bad i forgot the punch line
But it was the definative joke of it's type.
Oops, i also forgot what type, but
stick with me
It was really a great joke -- fantastic!!

BTW, yes I did NOT get the point, you didn't
make any points. This is a debate forum.
If you don't make your points, you loose the
debate.

 

Question #1. All English BVs are in one tongue...ENGLISH!(No-brainer!) The BVs made in different times are in the English style of the time in which they were made.(Anudder no-brainer!)


Question #2.

Apples and oranges. The "tongues" to which Paul refers are involving private messages to one particular believer, and may be in a known language, or in some "private" language God is using in that particular instance, known only to he/she who's receiving it...while the WRITTEN SCRIPTURES are written in languages already in use by people, and are readable by anyone who reads that given language.


Question #3.

Statements 1 & 2 aren't true, so this'n aint, either.


Question #4.

"Tongues" aren't "versions"! ! That very idea is horse feathers!

However, it wouldn't edify a SPANISH church if I were to read & preach in ENGLISH.


Question #5.

You're really beginning to read things into Scripture by thinking "versions" are "tongues". No, NONE OF # 5 IS CORRECT.


Let's chuck the whole idea that "versions" are "tongues" RIGHT NOW! Messages in tongues do NOT go outside the bounds of WRITTEN SCRIPTURE! They do NOT add nor subtract from Scripture at all! Usually, they're a command to praise the Lord in song, etc. or that GOD has heard your prayers, or a small short-term prophecy, I.E." Don't buy that piece of property for the site of a new sanctuary", etc. Paul PLAINLY says one purpose of tongues is to edify the NON-BELIEVER who hears them spoken & hears them interpreted. He even says to pray for greater gifts of the HOLY SPIRIT, such as prophecy or teaching.

"TONGUES" ARE NOTBIBLE VERSIONS! !

 

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No, the point is that this passage has nothing to do with Bible versions/translations.

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Oh, I am sorry. I didn't know YOU started this thread. I thought it was Mike(mjwegs42) who started this thread, and so I thought it was HIS point of the TRUTH OF THE SCRIPTURES regarding CONFUSION in the churches that was being discussed and relating it to the multiversion use of today.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Confusion about "confusion"

1 Corinthians 14:32-34 (HCSB):
And the prophets' spirits are under the control
of the prophets,
33 since God is not a God of disorder (confusion)
but of peace.
(New paragraph)
As in all the churches of the saints,
34 the women should be silent in the churches,
for they are not permitted to speak,
but should be submissive, as the law also says.

I keep seeing a portion of this quoted as
in the KJV1769: "God is not the author of confusion".

author - 3. the maker of anything, creator

confusion - 1. the act of confusing [disorder]
- 2. the state of being confused [unlear]

The verse is intended ("but of peace" gives a clue) to
mean: "1. the act of confusing [disorder]"
The HCSB is less confusing here, for it uses the
clearer term "disorder". "Disorder" has one clear
meaning, "confusion" has two meanings which can,
well confuse some people.

Often this part-verse is quoted out of context:
"God is not the author of confusion - so guess who
is the author of confusion"

Well, sure Satan can be the author of disorder.
But the most likely author of the unclear state
is onself (a human agent).

Anyway, in translational/version issues, it is
frequrently one's mind that is a state of unclear
NOT a local church in disorder. The "God is not
the author of confusion" is TOTALLY out of place,
as usually rendered here.

 

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How do you explain all the differing interpretations among christians that use the KJV only?
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Interpretations are the opinions of men, and they do vary and change. Gods words of truth are the scriptures and they DO NOT CHANGE.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Ed,



Bro Tony

 

No, mj started the thread by taking a scripture passage and wrongly applied it to the KJV vs. MV Bible version issue. The passage is not about that, but is clearly about the gift of tongues given in Acts 2 and its use in the church.