I Have a Question about the New Covenant

The new Covenant is fully active in the OT!

In Jer 31 we see the New Covenant stated.

In the OT we see the saints praying DIRECTLY to God without priest OR sacrifice!! (See Dan 9:1-5 as one of the many examples).

In the OT we see forgiveness FULL and complete and saints taken directly to heaven (Enoch, Elijah)

We also see those like Moses IN HEAVEN prior to the death of Christ (see Matt 17).

Christ states repeatedly in the Gospels "your sins ARE forgiven".

In Heb 4:1-2 we see the plain fact "The Gospel was preached to US JUST as it was to THEM ALSO".

in Gal 3:7 we find that the Gospel was preached to Abraham.

In Gal 1:6-11 we find that there is ONLY ONE GOSPEL in all of time!!

In John 3 Christ tells Nicodemus that any serious Bible teacher (teaching OT truth) in Israel MUST ALREADY KNOW that they must be born again to enter heaven!!

In 1Cor 10 we are told that they were ALL baptized into Christ - through that one spiritual rock which WAS Christ!!

in Christ,

Bob

 

RA, go to your Christian bookstore, buy or order a copy of "Dispensationalism" by Charles Ryrie. You can also order it online at Amazon.com. It's not an exhaustive read ~ available in soft cover, 220 pages. Skip chapters 9, 10, and 11 the first time through. You can pick them up later.

 

The New Covenant is the ONE AND ONLY Gospel of the Bible (Heb 8 and Gal 1:6-11 make that clear).

The New Covenant STARTS when Adam falls and goes on to the 2nd coming. It is the ONLY way by which Enoch, Moses and Elijah entered heaven in the O.T.

It is the ONLY means of forgiveness.

It offers CHRIST ALONE as the only means of salvation.

in Christ,

Bob

 

In Heb 7-10 Paul makes the argument that Christ is the REAl -- true high priest for mankind - and the one and only sacrifice for mankind.

When we see Enoch taken directly to heaven as in Heb 11 it is through "Christ alone" it is "by faith alone" according to Heb 11. ALL the saints of HEB 11 are SHOWN to be examples for us according to Hebrews.

There is no "They got to heaven some other way" in the text.

Hebrews is simply making the point that the blood of Christ ALONE accomplished all of this.

ONE GOSPEL in ALL of time Gal 1:6-11 and that Gospel is the New Covenant.

As Heb 10 points out - the blood of bulls and goats had no effect at ALL upon sin - they simply were a visual reminder of the blood of Christ applied to each sin as each person came to God for forgiveness. Notice that in Dan 9 we see one of the many examples of prayer directly to God FOR forgiveness WITHOUT priest or sacrifice!

in Christ,

Bob

 

Hmm - that went well.:jesus:

(That almost never happens).:type:

in Christ,

Bob

 

So then " have faith in Christ" is the same as "be born again"? It is not two seperate things that one must do in order to enter heaven?

God Bless! :thumbs:

 

A person does not "make themselves born again" -- God does that once we choose faith in Christ.

 

So one needs faith plus God's regeneration to enter heaven? Is that really "faith alone"?

Is it one's faith that calls God into action to regenerate them? Is this instant-at the moment one believes, or must one pray first, or ask for regeneration first, or promise to obey first, or stop sinning first?

God Bless!

 

John 15:
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Be careful not to miss the sovereignty of God, be careful not to emphasize the human efforts and works.

 

Yes, God is first in all things, but even though God chooses us do we not in return have to choose God? Judas was also chosen, yet he chose to reject God's invitation, correct?

God Bless!

 

"Behold I STAND at the door and KNOCK if anyone OPENS the door I WILL come in and fellowship with him - and he with Me" Rev 3.

"Christ is the LIGHT that coming into the world ENLIGHTENS EVERY man" john 1.

"He convicts the WORLD of sin and righteousness and judgment" John 16.

"God is not WILLING that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance" 2Peter 3.

"God is calling ALL men everywhere to repent".

... I know you agree with this -- but the point is that while the Gospel system has God as the "first cause" it does not set him in the Calvinist mode of arbitrarily selecting out the FEW of Matt 7 to be saved and not caring about the rest.

So he knocks BUT does NOT take down the door!

in Christ,

Bob

 

Let me toss a coin to determine if I should believe in Jesus? Don't think so. Belief is the conclusion of data analysis or based on an experience. God going to send people to Hell because they incorrectly analyzed the available historical data about Jesus?

 

God "Says" HE "Convicts the WORLD" of sin and righeousness and judgment and Romans 1 flatly states "they ARE without excuse" who reject Him for His invisible attributes are "clearly seen".

Others claim that God's convicting is 'defective' and does not allow some people to actually come to the right understanding to be saved. It is the light that coming into the world "enlightens just a few" in their POV

Two opposing views of God in my opinion.

in Christ,

Bob

 

The four gospels should be looked at as an introduction of the Messiah to Israel, to establish HIS Kingdom. After Israel's rejection of their Messiah, Paul is charged with a totally new mission, hid in the Father, that is to abolish the enmity between Jew and Gentile, and establish a saving faith that is based solely on Christ's FINISHED work on the cross. Paul states simply, "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you WILL be saved. John puts it this way:
John 1:12, and 1John 3:23, 5:13 Under the Mosaic Law, as Peter had learned and preached, you must repent and be Baptised for the remission of sin.
Mat 3:2, 4:17, Mark 1:15, 6:12 Both these programs had different ends also. The Jewish believer was to (and still will) inherit the Kingdom church, and we believers today go to heaven.

Our confusion with these different plans, or dispensations, is that there was a period of time for the change to take place, where elements of both plans were in evidence. This was man's doing, not God's. The Jews didn't take it sitting down, even to this day.

So no the four gospels are logically at the end of the old covenant, and pertain strictly to Israel.

 

So one is the Gospel and one is not -- fine. Then what is Heb 11 about? what Gospel saved the saints of Heb 11?

In fact - just "How many" Gospels does your view have??

As for Paul = he only knew of one IN ALL of time Gal 1:6-11 and HE said that the ONE Gospel was "preached to Abraham" Gal 3:7 -- in fact He stated "The Gospel was preached to US JUST as it was to THEM also" Heb 4:1.

I am going to have to go with Paul on this one.

in Christ,

Bob

 

One thing to consider is that it is a New covenant. Things are done different now. We don't have to become "jewish" so to speak to enter that covenant. We aren't called to circumcise our boys or stone sinners or butcher sheep or not eat bacon or the myriad of other laws which we can't keep anyhow.

Thank God we are no longer there. The gospels are superior to leviticus/deuteronomy~~grace is better law.

Amongst the anabaptists the scriptures are viewed Christocentrically-that is to start in the Gospels and interpret everything else from there-it is the epicenter of time. Whether turning to the epistles or to the prophets view all through Christ and what he taught.

Yeah, that ain't a dispy view, but I ain't much of one anyhow. We talk of reading scripture alone, but then read it through the lens of our favorite theological teaching. Reading scripture through Walvoord or Pentecost is no different than reading it through RC Catechism or Westminster Confession-just manmade teaching creations in which to sift scripture.

Have a great Lord's Day and Father's Day:godisgood: