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I value Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson, NOT Lincoln

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Hermeneut7, Aug 23, 2017.

  1. Hermeneut7

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    I'd earlier posted that abolitionism was humanism, not biblical Christianity. To continue my thoughts on a Constitutional level, I agree with an article by the following man, and I quote several of his statements:

    Walter Edward Williams is an American economist, commentator, and academic who happens to be black.
    Were Confederate Generals Traitors?, by Walter E.Williams

    "Let's look at some of the facts and ask: Did the South have a right to secede from the Union? If it did, we can't label Confederate generals as traitors."

    "Article 1 of the Treaty of Paris (1783), which ended the war between the Colonies and Great Britain, held "New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be free sovereign and Independent States." Representatives of these states came together in Philadelphia in 1787 to write a constitution and form a union."

    "At the Constitutional Convention, a proposal was made to allow the federal government to suppress a seceding state. James Madison, the 'Father of the Constitution,' rejected it. The minutes from the debate paraphrased his opinion: 'A union of the states containing such an ingredient (would) provide for its own destruction. The use of force against a state would look more like a declaration of war than an infliction of punishment and would probably be considered by the party attacked as a dissolution of all previous compacts by which it might be bound.'"

    "America's first secessionist movement started in New England after the Louisiana Purchase in 1803. Many were infuriated by what they saw as an unconstitutional act by President Thomas Jefferson."

    "The U.S. Constitution would have never been ratified — and a union never created — if the people of those 13 'free sovereign and Independent States' did not believe that they had the right to secede. Even on the eve of the War of 1861, unionist politicians saw secession as a right that states had. Rep. Jacob M. Kunkel of Maryland said, 'Any attempt to preserve the union between the states of this Confederacy by force would be impractical and destructive of republican liberty.' The Northern Democratic and Republican parties favored allowing the South to secede in peace."

    The quotes from the article can be checked with an online search and more can be learned about the War of Northern Aggression. Dr. Williams closes his article ( a 5 minute read) with the following:

    "Confederate generals were fighting for independence from the Union just as George Washington and other generals fought for independence from Great Britain. Those who'd label Gen. Robert E. Lee as a traitor might also label George Washington as a traitor. I'm sure Great Britain's King George III would have agreed."
     
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    George Washington was a traitor in the eyes of King George III. Had Britain defeated the Continental Army Washington, Adams, Franklin, Jefferson et al would have been hung as traitors to the crown. One man's traitor is another man's patriot and vice versa.


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    Our Lord jesus was in the eyes of the religious leaders, the biggest traitor of them all, and even Saul at one time agreed with them!
     
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    As an admirer and distant relative of Lee, I always feel compelled to point out that Lee was no traitor. He wrestled heavily with the decision to leave the Union to fight for the Confederacy. In the end, he did so, not because of a lack of patriotism or any animousity toward the Union, but because the federal government had rpeatedly violated its covenant with the states and was choking them to death with tarrifs, embargos and other political tools.

    He chose the Confederacy because he felt he had no choice but to defend Virginia from the federal government.

    He wasn't seen as a traitor in his time, either, as he was considered a hero on both sides.
     
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