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If Calvinists argued like Arminians

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by npetreley, Jul 12, 2004.

  1. npetreley

    npetreley New Member

    Oct 20, 2002
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    I was just imagining what prooftexts Calvinists would use if they argued like Arminians do, and I came up with a few...

    Romans 11:26
    And so all Israel will be saved

    All means all, therefore Israel and ALL of his descendents -- no exceptions -- will be saved. They have no free-will choice in this matter. (Admittedly, some Calvinists interpret this verse to refer to a future time when every human being who happens to be in the country Israel will be saved.)

    2 Timothy 2:10
    Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

    When Paul says he endures "all things", he means he endures ALL things, no exceptions -- including everything from having canker sores to waiting in line for hours at Costco on a saturday afternoon. But he only did this for the elect, not for the non-elect.

    Joel 2:32
    And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the LORD Shall be saved.

    The fact that the word "whoever" appears in this verse means that it must be open to everyone to call on the name of the LORD. Since God only elects SOME to be saved, that's why He makes sure the non-elect are born dumb (unable to speak) and therefore unable to call on the name of the LORD.

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  2. Skandelon

    Skandelon <b>Moderator</b>

    Jan 19, 2003
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    Israel was redefined by Paul to be not those who are the descendants by blood, but those who are children of the promise. A promise is a covenant and Paul is preaching a covenant that is entered into by faith. All of those who are children of the promise, through faith, are Israel and will be saved.

    If Paul would have had a canker sore and a Costco he would have endured it for his kinsmen. He endured all things that actually befalled him. Don't be ridiculous.

    What? This makes no sense at all.

    Keep working on it Nick, one day you might find an argument that holds water. [​IMG]
  3. StefanM

    StefanM Well-Known Member
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    Jul 4, 2004
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    Did someone miss the sarcasm?