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If God is silent what should the preacher do?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Luke2427, Sep 7, 2010.

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  1. If I have to make a complex case because the Scripture is silent- I should be silent.

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  2. I can preach against things if I can make a case outside of the Bible for them being wrong

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  1. Tom Bryant

    Tom Bryant Well-Known Member

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    Again, I understand and agree with most of what you are saying. But if the Amish really believe that technology and worldliness are proportional, then they better preach it.

    I believe the Bible teaches that baptism is only for believers after after salvation but others believe that the Bible teaches differently. I am going to preach what I believe the Bible teaches and not really care if someone doesn't think that is what the Bible says.

    I have friends who believe that there is no universal church only the local form. They better preach what they believe the Bible teaches.

    The problem in many churches is that the people are not taught to study the Bible on their own. So they have only the pastor to believe. When a believer studies the Bible on their own, they can then come to their own conclusions about what the Bible teaches. If it is different than what their pastor teaches, they need to then talk to him or leave the church and go to one that believes as they do.

    I am not disagreeing that there are some incredibly ignorant preachers out there who are preaching their own ideas for God's Facts. I just think this could be telling people not to take a stand about an issue that they believe the Bible teaches.
     
  2. webdog

    webdog Active Member
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    The text you quoted is dealing with sin. Revelry in this context is sin. A birthday party for my kids where they are loud and listening to loud music, or music used in worship is not the intention of such "revelry". Remember, the context is sinful actions.
     
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    The Bible also says to worship in spirit and in truth which are immaterial. Are you forgetting they lyre and tambourine?
     
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    Agreed completely. Probably a first for us here on the BB :)
     
  5. RAdam

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    Where does the NT tell me to use a lyre or a tambourine?
     
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    I missed the memo where we are to completely disregard the OT. It wasn't sin to use them in worship in the OT, why would that be different now in the NT?
     
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  7. RAdam

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    Are you going to set up a tabernacle or temple, consecrate priests of the tribe of Levi and line of Aaron, bring meat, drink, trespass, sin, peace, etc. offerings? Are you going to observe the feast days and fesitvals and observe a Saturday Sabbath? The OT is not our manual for worship procedure in the NT church.
     
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    I guess we shouldn't meet in buildings either since that is not found in the NT. Actually, let's remove chairs, writing utensils, speakers, pulpits, nurseries, children's ministries, heat, running water, toilets, etc. etc. etc. since they are not implicitly found in the NT.
     
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    "It wasn't sin to use them in worship in the OT, why would that be different now in the NT?"

    I never said it was sin to use them, don't put words in my mouth.

    Why not use them now? Because the NT told us how to worship God in song. Why not bring a goat in to sacrifice it? It worked in the OT. Why not have a priest to offering sacrifices on your behalf? It worked in the OT. We don't follow OT worship procedure in these things because the NT taught us a different way to worship God in the NT church. People love to pick which things they want to bring over from the OT into the NT church. They want to bring over the instruments, but not the priests, the bloody sacrifices, the temple, the sabbaths, the feasts, etc. If you are going to bring something over, you need to bring it all to be consistent.
     
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    I didn't put words in your mouth, I asked a question.

    The rest is the red herring I addressed in my previous post.
     
  11. RAdam

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    You don't seem to understand the difference between scriptural silence and where scripture speaks. The NT says nothing of how we should arrange our buildings, thus we have liberty. Same with chairs or pews. Same with heat, air conditioning, running water. We have liberty there. The NT was silent, giving us liberty. The NT wasn't silent on how to praise God in song. It said to you 2 instruments - the heart and voice. We don't have liberty in what instruments we can use, because the NT spoke on that subject.

    Why not have women preachers? Why not baptise babies? Why not have someone read from the local newpaper it the pulpit rather than preach the word? Why can't we just do whatever we want and whatever we feel like? Because the NT isn't silent on these issues.
     
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    And I asked you a question. Why don't you bring the rest of the OT worship procedure over?
     
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    There is no need for it, that is why. We do to an extent with a tabernacle. We have buildings to meet in. How did the early church (made up primarily of Jews) worship?
     
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    Scripture states to praise God in song using our hearts and voice...yet remains silent on instruments, technology, words, language, etc. I'm thinking you don't understand what scriptural silence entails.
     
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    Let's savour the moment.:thumbs:
     
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    Again this comes back to where does the NT explicitly "forbid" the use of instruments. This is exactly what the OP is talking about. To say we don't have liberty with instruments cannot be demonstrated in the bible. In fact I can't remember reading anywhere in scripture where any instruments were actually forbidden, anyone know any?? Yes the bible speaks volumes on our attitude and heart when we worship and praise but the instruments get more of a supplimental mention.

    Darren
     
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    Who made you the arbiter of what comes from the heart?

    Anger comes from the heart and is perfectly appropriate in a plethora of circumstances.

    In order for you to have a point in the above quoted post you have to make a logical connection that the Bible saying that worship music comes from the heart and the voice condemns some types of music.

    How does the fact that we worship God in song with heart and voice condemn some types of music?
     
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    This is the exact same argument the Church of Christ uses to condemn ANY musical instruments in worship.

    The New Testament does not condemn musical instruments- therefore we are to assume that they are fair game- particularly since the Old Testament, written by the same God commands that we worship him with a multiplicity of musical instruments.
     
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    You ARE Church of Christ, aren't you. Church of Christ is a cult. They believe in baptismal regeneration and works salvation and think they are the only ones going to heaven. I hope this is not you.

    As to your Church of Christ argument against instrumentation in musical worship-

    Just because the Bible says to worship him with heart and voice doesn't mean that we are forbidden to use anything else.

    If I say, "Go to the grocery store and buy me some milk and cheese," and you pick me up a box of chocolates too doesn't mean you've violated my command. You picked up the milk and the cheese- therefore you obeyed the command.

    God says to worship him with heart and voice- but if you do that plus play an organ- you have not violated God's command because you have done exactly what he commanded- you worshiped with heart and voice.

    It would have to say, worship him with heart and voice ALONE- for it to say what you are twisting it to say.
     
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