If the SBC Passes the Dream Act, What's Next?

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...I thought "the Dream Act" was a piece of legislation.

Since the SBC cannot pass legislation...isn't this whole thread a moot issue?

 

Exactly. :thumbs:

 

Tim expects us all to uphold Lev 19:33-34, but won't tell us if he upholds verse 19 of the same chapter. I expect it's because Tim does wear clothing of mixed fiber. It's funny how that works....Tim expects us all to follow some verses, yet doesn't follow verses in the same context and same chapter as he expects us to follow.

You don't care to comment on verse 19 Tim?

 

While sending illegal aliens back to their own country may sound cruel, actually it is a way of looking out for them and legal immigrants. If we need so many immigrants in this country then by not allowing illegals to come in we are at the same time making it easier for immigrants to legally come over because of pure need.
Not being cruel because need is the reason anyone leaves and goes somewhere else.
When an immigrant is here legally, they do not have to worry about taking half of minimum wage and working long hours with little or no extra pay because they are worried they will be turned in.

I agree somewhat with the "Dream act" because there are many illegal aliens who have brought their very young children with them and when those children are teenagers they have no other country to go to. Let them have the opportunity to gain citizenship, they are here through no fault of their own. But, their citizenship should not be used to allow those who illegally brought them to remain or gain legal status.
In fact, the constitution has been used to say that any child born in USA is a citizen. It does not say that and I would be for enforcement of a law that states if a child is born and both parents are not legal immigrants then the child is not a legal immigrant. Or if a child is born to legal immigrants then the child is a legal immigrant and not automatically a citizen.
I love these people and I really think in the long run this would be most beneficial to them. I do support those who want to become citizens legally.

 

Sorry, I meant too...

Yes, I wear mixed fiber... (I try to stick to cotton only.. but it's so hard to iron! LOL)


Do you?

Do you throw out the whole law because some of it only applies to Ancient Israel?

Do you believe we shouldn't murder? Why stick to that one, and not the fiber verse?

There are plenty verses in the Bible where it shows that God cares for the alien among his people. It's a principle, a principle that is threaded throughout the Bible....

So much so that in Matt. 25 Jesus even equates himself with aliens (strangers).. and how we treat them, is the way we treat Jesus.

What was the purpose behind the fiber verse? It was a visual example that God's people must separate themselves from sin. It is the same principle that a good tree cannot produce bad fruit.

And its evident that people here need to apply the principle of verse 19 as well as 33 and 34.

When people proclaim they love God, and then proclaim that we need to throw people away because we have worked hard for what we have, and they don't deserve it.. or they are afraid immigrants are stealing stuff from them.. they are not being consistent with themselves.

YOu can't say you love God and hate your brother enough to want to send them away into a land of poverty, and death!.. and I've seen people on here that wants to even do that to children that were born here!..

And then they stand in church and proclaim they love God. hogwash.

Separate yourself from the sin of Greed, and nationalism. Because you will be judged on how you treat immigrants.. Jesus said so.

 

I think you misunderstood what I said.. I meant that I have helped some illegals with money TO APPLY for citizenship. I've also seen our Government take their money, and then lose the paperwork!.. and recharge the girl for the same thing!.. EVEN AFTER SHE PRESENTED A RECEIPT WHERE WE PAID FOR THE STUFF BEFORE!

I've also seen a mother and father (who were here LEGALLY) in WV have their home ransacked WITHOUT A SEARCH WARRANT.. because their son in Arizona wasn't here legally..

The laws need changed to make it just as easy for people today to come to America as it was for our forefathers.

But we only welcome the people we judge will be an asset to our society.

We bemoan the healthcare bill because we are afraid it will rate people based on usefulness, but at the same time we do it ourselves....

Some on here even claim to be Christian, but want to starve people out of our country... sorry, but that is not Christian.. that is Satanic.

Shame on America.
No wonder God's hand of blessing is being removed.. we have become smug and comfortable, and greedy, patting ourselves on the back and saying, "Look at all we accomplished!!!" Shame on us.

Which one of you chose to be born in America?
Why refuse the right that you were born with to others?

The laws need changed to make it easier to come to America.. then the number of undocumented people will decrease...

 

righteousdude, did you miss this?

 

One thing that has been missed in this thread is that while strangers were to be treated kindly in Israel, they were to follow strict guidelines during their visit, observing the sabbath, etc.; and let's not even talk about what it took for a man to become a citizen of Israel. Let's just say it was VERY EXPENSIVE.

 

If you wear mixed fiber then you have no right to bring up the other verses. Either you consistently apply the verses in that chapter, or you need to concede that there is context that needs to be taken into account.

The verses you quote do not deal with illegal aliens. You can try and stretch them to account for illegal aliens, and I know you will, but that does not mean that they do.

 

Oh, and another thing about Israel..."strangers" were not permitted to bring idols into the land, quite unlike the laws of of the U.S.

 

The Old Testament makes a distinction between those who entered Israel with permission (Ger) and others (nekhar).

For example, Israelites were allowed to charge interest of the foreigner, but not of the Ger, one who was in the land legally. - "Of a foreigner you may exact it, but whatever of yours is with your brother your hand shall release." Deut 15:3

According to Judaism and the Torah, the "Ger toshav" was a resident alien who had first appeared before a Beth Din, a rabbinical court.

The Israelites had to get permission to pass through land belonging to other nations. Pharaoh gave Joseph permission for his family to "sojourn" in Egypt Gen 45:17.

Steven Austin was granted permission from the Mexican government to settle in Texas in 1822.

TT it is great that illegals are filling your pews and likely treat you with defference. Heady stuff no doubt. But surely they can hear about the Lord in Mexico?

 

(IN THIS POST THE WORD "YOU" Does not refer to anyone in particular.. but to all those that are against helping undocumented immigrants)


Actually we have no illegals here.. (I'm in Logan WV now!...)

And thanks for your last sentence... "But surely they can hear about the Lord in Mexico"...

That illustrates the hypocrisy of the American church...

Let's send missionaries to them..
Let them stay there...
We don't want to witness to them...

They can hear the message in their home land... (BTW.. why is everyone prejudiced against Mexicans.. there are illegal canadians, asians, europeans, etc)...

That sentence speaks loud and clear the heart of the one speaking it....

We don't want them here...

That's sad.. God sends you people to witness too, and your too prejudiced and filled with hate to do it. So you try to starve them out, in order to send them back to their home country hoping they hear about the Lord there....

Where is the Love for the Lost?

Here's another option.. (One that I've seen work)
Witness to them..
Bring them into your church
Love them, meet their needs... .

AND one of their needs is to become legal.. so ....

work with your local immigration place to help them become legal!...

Quit complaining about people taking your jobs...
Quit putting America above the Kingdom of God...

And win souls, and let the Holy Spirit convict them..
Then do your part to help them make it right!

That's what you would do for an alcoholic...
OR any other sinner...

The sin of being here in America without the proper paperwork is no worse than the sin of Gossip and Pride and Greed and hate that many here are showing.

Those that know me, know I am conservative.. (except maybe in this instance).. But my conservatism stops when I start seeing other humans being treated like pieces of feces just because they don't have a special piece of paper..

We conservatives value human life when it comes to the unborn.. but where is the value when we say stuff like "if they can't find work here they will leave to be able to eat"... where is the value when we may have to sacrifice a little to make another human beings life bearable.. I know some kids that would be literally growing up in a dump if they were not here.. a litteral dump...Where is the value of human life if we were to try to send them back to a diseased, dump where they have to live. (Kids from Bolivia and El Salvador)..

I'm just shaking my head a the amount of Hate being poured out of the American Church..

I have actually heard deacons say that if they knew an illegal was attending church, they would ask them to leave...

I bet many on here would do the same thing.

Would you? If an illegal brother or Sister in Christ came to visit your church, and you knew they were illegal would you ask them to leave? Would you report them?

No wonder so many of our churches are falling away from the Love of God.. they know Paul's teaching, but they don't listen to Christ's teaching...

 

I was taking a neutral stand on this subject .... until I read your post. Thank you.

 

I agree with much of what you said. I am afraid that many Christians derive their beliefs on this issue from politics and their pocketbooks more than from the Holy Spirit.

 

:laugh: I thought that's what you believe.. it just confused me the way you said it before!...

 

Who said send only the illegal aliens from Mexico back? Who said not to witness to them? Who said not to care once they are back in their homeland? Just because there are some who truly care about the abuse they are suffering because of their illegal actions doesn't mean we hate them.

You need to get off your HIGH HORSE look around you will find it is a little pony!
The illegals are abused because of the nearsighted views of bleeding hearts whose "love" is misplaced.

 

Well many have said that you are wrong for practical reasons, and some scripture has been presented to refute you. But no one has tried to judge your heart. You are the only one to do that.

I would venture to say that I have worked with more immigrants from south of the border, legal and illegal, over the years than you have and I have never intentionally maltreated any of them. In fact I have been on the receiving end from several of them. You know, things like having a knife held against my belly because they didn’t like the expression on my face or having them spread lies and falsehoods about me among their countrymen. If you are able to witness to people under such circumstances I am very proud for you.

But I would quote one more scripture here -

“The alien who lives among you will rise above you higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower. He will lend to you, but you will not lend to him. He will be the head, but you will be the tail.”

Sound like a blessing to you?