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If we are the body why do we hate each other so?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by amazinglove92, Sep 8, 2004.

  1. rufus

    rufus New Member

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    Baptists in general DO NOT HATE other denominations; but they DO DISAGREE doctrinally and practically!

    Hate is such a strong word to be used by a believer in Christ! :(
     
  2. moeowo2

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    I agree.
    I was talking about something similiar on another board with a catholic young man and he made a comment if baptists and catholics have the same core beliefs then we should be able to call each other brothers and sisters in Christ. But as I explained to him from a Southern Baptist view we don't have the same core beliefs even though on the surface it may seem that way.
    I feel the Catholic church teaches alot of false doctrine and is a false church but I don't hate the catholic just the false doctrine. Kinda like hate the sin not the sinner.


     
  3. Craigbythesea

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    Perhaps the answer to your question lies in the word "if." I don't believe that it is possible for anyone to be "in Christ" and hate anyone.

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  4. Ben W

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    God has a plan for your life, I guess we all know that.

    Yet so does Satan, do we recognise that?

    There are two great armies facing one another to do battle, Satan and all his principalities and powers on one side and the Christian Church on the other side. Yet to the most part the darts and arrows that Satan Legions fire are few. Why waste there amunition when the army of the church are shooting killing and maiming one another?

    Satan is more than happy for us to beat each other up, just so much as our eyes are off evangalism.

    The sad part about the whole thing is the number of Christians firing darts at each other that think what they are doing is Gods will and quote scripture to try and prove it.

    I look at some of the brethren in here that try to prove something, yet at the same time launch personal attacks or act in a manner that is a poor witness, my wish is that they themselves might wake up and see who they are fighting for.
     
  5. Rooster

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    I use the "this is what I believe" approach, rather than "this is the way it is". </font>[/QUOTE]That is the creating a god in your own image approach, when we shape god to suit our own needs, so "God likes the same things I like and hates the same things I hate", instead of what the Bible, and the Holy Spirit says who God is.
     
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    Again, AMEN Rooster. More soft teaching. It seems to be rampant today.
     
  7. gb93433

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    Some people only know hate. I feel sorry for them because they have to live with themselves.
     
  8. AVL1984

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    Remember, standing against unbiblical doctrine isn't hate in and of itself. But, it can be done in a hateful manner. We are commanded to earnestly contend for the faith. But, if the differences are minor, and aren't clearly explained by the scriptures, then there is no big reason to fight over the minors. We need to be majoring on the major doctrines and fundamentals of the faith, and let the minor points be disagreed on without malice. I think John R Rice was a great example on that point.

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  9. MTA

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    Dr. Bob's response pretty well hits the nail on the head for me also.

    One thing I see that is counter-productive to our purpose and really sounds hateful, is when a preacher condemns a denomination from the pulpit. Although Baptists are generally not shy about stating where we believe others are in error, we would be well advised to learn to be more tactful in representing our doctrinal differences from the pulpit. After all, if the goal is to make believers, we must remember that the one we need to reach may be visting our church for the first time. You cannot condemn their theology from the pulpit and expect to win them over. Rather, preach the Word and let the Word speak for itself.
     
  10. gb93433

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    There are many other denominations who believe Baptists are wrong. But they do agree that the Bible is the standard. The Bible must always be our standard for faith and practice.

    If you do any reading from one to two hundered years ago many would not agree with some of those beliefs either. For example B.H. Carroll the founding president of SWBTS believed in post millenalism. He had been divorced too. Some were amillenialists too.
    Wasn't it Paul and Mark who disagreed too.
     
  11. Lori

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    I believe it may have been Paul and Barnabus. They did not agree that John should or should not accompany them again on a treck back over towns they had visited. On the same token, there were 12 disciples and they may have had their own disagreements as well.

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  12. av1611jim

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    I think a lot of problems could be sorted out if folks would quit calling boldness and confidence in one's doctrine hatred, hateful, mean spirited, and what have you.
    Granted some DO come across as mean. But perhaps they do not INTEND to sound or act mean. Perhaps the intent is simply boldness. Like calling sin for what it is, without regard for "feelings".
    I think western culture has gotten the cart before the horse somewhere. We must always present facts as laid out in Scripture and let the feelings follow.
    Sin is sin. I hate sin. I hate sin in myself. I hate sin in others. But it would seem, especially in our western world, if one were to state it just like that, then "you are being so hateful". (wah wah wah) And that makes me sick. Calling sin as just a mistake or error is just as sinful as not.
    BTW, God calls disbelief a sin. Where is the outrage against this?
    We are saved by grace through faith. They who don't believe it are in sin. Sin is hateful. Not calling sin out is hateful. God so loved the world that He didn't want to hurt anybody's feelings so He just tried to get along and not say anything?
    NOT!
    What some may call hateful, or hatred may in fact simply be that person obeying God and calling sin...SIN.
    If your feelings are hurt, then maybe you need to look at it in your own self.
    J.F.Norris' boldness was often taken as hateful or meanness. There were others in history, where are the bold men of God today?
    I know, I know. I'll get down off the soap box now. I'm sorry if this offended some of the thinner skinned folks on this board.
    In His service;
    Jim
     
  13. MTA

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    av1611jim:

    The point is not so much about being bold or not, but rather communicating effectively. A person will not necessarily understand the difference between boldness and hatred unless he understands the speaker (or writer's) communication style. If being bold is simply about being brash, then we should not candy coat it by saying it is "bold." Unfortunately, many utilize the "being bold" definition as a facade for being offensive and pharasaical.
     
  14. Jim Ward

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    Very well put Jim. Nothing sugar coated. Just straight hard facts that I can tell were bosted in love.

    I am thankful that you don't stand for a sugar coated watered down "Christianity" that some who have posted in this thread have embraced. What unites real Christians is their Love for Jesus which also causes them to obey Him and follow Him. Denominationalism only proves that this is not the case with all. If ALL were loving the Jesus of the Bible and thus following Him, we would have no denominations.

    But alas, and to our shame we have them and to those who defend having them an even bigger shame.


    Jim
     
  15. AVL1984

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    I have found this to be quite true throughout my years in the ministry. Being offensive isn't necessarily the way to handle things. One can make one's point without being offensive at every turn. ;)

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  16. av1611jim

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    Case in point.
    Bold stands for purity are taken as pharisaical.
    Bold preaching is taken as offensive.
    Agreed that IF you are using the 'bold' command as an excuse to be unchristian then shame on you.
    The problem, as I stated, is that in our western culture today, if you 'preach from the hip' (so to speak) then you are either being 'hateful', 'brash' or 'pharisaical'. When in fact you are preaching what Scripture says and demands.
    I submit that that generalization is false.
    My premise is still the FACT that modern western christianity has gotten all mixed up and now judges all things by whether "you hurt my feelings" or not.
    Remember the admoniton of Scripture that preaching the cross of Christ is an OFFENCE to they who are perishing. Do a word study and you will find that we are not to "soften" the message in order to appease the lost.
    Straight preaching accomplishes much more than softening the blow.
    In His service;
    Jim
     
  17. Rooster

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    AMEN!!! av1611jim, you are so dead on the money, I am about speachless now. What more could be said after it has been hit right on the head.
     
  18. MTA

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    I do not minimize the value of boldness and I am not suggesting that we should be any less bold in our stand for the truth. My point is simply that boldness that is interpreted as arrogance and brashness is ineffective. Example: If I mistakenly quote a fact of scripture and your manner of correcting my error is to simply call me a liar, some might say that is boldly standing for the truth. However, most would simply say that it was a rude, arrogant, and self-serving reply meant to elevate your position and I would likely not be too interested in any subsequent information you might want to share regarding why you made the bold claim that I am a liar. I will only remember that is what you called me. Of course, the example is exaggerated, but you understand why I addressed effective communication in my previous posting.

    The point is that even when we are right we can be wrong if we do not choose our words and delivery carefully. The goal is to make believers and we cannot do that if we insult them and ruin our credibility.
     
  19. Bible Student

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    I wonder if the modern day church would have called this effective communication?

    "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been the betrayers and murderers:"

    Acts 7:51,52
     
  20. av1611jim

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    Ummm...MTA?
    I think if you go back and re-read carefully what I posted you will find that I addressed your point quite clearly. However let me re-state it for you here.
    If you are using boldness to be unchristian then shame on you.
    I do not think you can infer from that statement that I disagree with you. In fact I did SAY, "Agreed".
    However, let me state for the record, it is not my place to determine HOW a message is received or interpreted. That is the ministry of The Holy Spirit. My place is to preach the Bible plainly and boldly. Let the chips fall where they may. I have been obedient to the commands and directives of God. The rest is left up to Him.
    That being said, you failed to address the rest of my statements.
    Care to comment?
    In His service;
    Jim
     
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