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  1. ballfan

    ballfan New Member

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    What do you actually know about Mr. Peroutka except that he states this or that. Do you have any actual inkling of how he intends to accomplish anything he puts forward.
     
  2. JGrubbs

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    When you voted for Bush in 2000, did you have his four year plan for every issue laid out in front of you?? What is Bush going to do about abortion? It's not even mentioned anywhere on his campaign Web site.

    We could go in circles until November, or we can take the time to research each candidate, and make a well thougth out and prayed about choice in November. I am in favor of the second choice.
     
  3. Bro. James Reed

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    ballfan, what would you like me to do? If I am to believe his statements, then I see him as the best alternative candidate.

    I could pose the same question to you about Mr. Bush. What did you know except he stated this or that?

    I believed Mr. Bush in 2000 when he stated this and that, I will not fall for it again.

    If Mr. Peroutka turns out to be President and is like Mr. Bush, then I will not vote for him in 2008. All we can do is vote for the candidate with the best message that lines up closer to our beliefs. That's what I intend to do.

    NP, how can I write in a candidate when our ballots are electronic? Maybe I'll just vote for Mr. Kerry and pray that a good candidate comes along 2008. If Mr. Bush is re-elected, a conservative has no chance in 2008.
     
  4. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    James,

    I voted electronically here in Arkansas in the primary and I noticed there was a slot for a write-in vote. You can ask a poll worker if the procedure isn't clear. And you can ask your county clerk, or whomever it is in Texas who handles elections, ahead of time about the procedure.

    Or maybe you could do an absentee paper ballot.
     
  5. Joseph_Botwinick

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    I think the difference is that Bush had served as governor of a large Southern State called Texas and had recieved some nationwide media exposure for the good job he did in Texas. Therefore, I kinda felt like I knew him and he had some name recognition. He certainly had some experience and some way for us to judge whether or not he would do a better job than Gore. Peroutka, to my knowledge, lacks experience and any kind of record to run on at all except for what he says he will do. My parents used to tell me that if someone is promising the moon then they are probably scamming you or are really ignorant about what it will take to actually give you the moon. I tend to think that Peroutka probably falls into the second category.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  6. KenH

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    I have to admit I knew what George W. Bush was offering in 2000 with his phrase "compassionate conservatism". I should have connected all of the dots and not just some of them to know he would simply be a reprise of his father's presidency.

    "Compassionate conservatism" was simply a code phrase for socialism, Republican style.

    I bought that pig in a poke in 2000. I refuse to do so again in 2004, the war on terrorists notwithstanding.
     
  7. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Bush Sr.: Raised Taxes / W: Cut taxes twice

    Bush Sr.: Buckled to the wishes of world opinion and the UN and pulled out of Iraq without removing the threat / W: Removed the threat

    Bush Sr.: Did absolutely nothing about abortion, didn't even try anything / W: PBA ban, Pickering, and the new law acknowledging the fetus as a life and prosecuting those who kill the baby in commission of a crime as murderers.

    Bush Sr.: Called tax cuts and Reaganomics "voodoo economics" / W: Embraces Reagan's tax cuts idea.

    They certainly might have some similarites in there, but I can also see some strong differences as well.

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  8. KenH

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    Both Bushes - increased federal spending.

    Both Bushes - increased the power of the federal government.

    Both Bushes - supported globalization/one world government.

    Both Bushes - had a recession during their time in office.

    Both Bushes - ran huge federal budget deficits.
     
  9. KenH

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    For the procedure in Texas, you could call 1-866-CPTEXAS. I would think they would be able to help you.
     
  10. JGrubbs

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    Wow!! The two major party's not only made it almost impossible for a third-party to get on the ballot in Texas, but they are blocking your voice by not allowing write-in votes? I would call your local election board and ask them. Let me know if they verify, that write-ins are not allowed in Texas.
     
  11. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Some of W's increases have been uncalled for. I will give you that. But also, keep in mind that much of those increases have been to fund our military who are fighting a war on terror.

    Both Bushes - increased the power of the federal government.[/QUOTE]

    In all fairness to Bush Sr., I don't remember him enacting the Patriot Act. However, I will say that much good has come from the PA such as better coordination between our intelligence agencies.

    Both Bushes - support globalization/one world government.[/QUOTE]

    I think this is true. Can't dispute that. I disagree with that. But, again, this doesn't prove your earlier assertion that they are the same people.

    Both Bushes - had a recession during their time in office.[/QUOTE]

    Bush Sr. raised taxes. Bush Jr. Lowered taxes. W also had another variable factored in. It was called 9-11, and I think you know very well that this did considerable damage to our economy. But, as was predicted, through his tax cuts, the economy has rebounded and things are much better now.

    Both Bushes - ran huge federal budget deficits. [/QUOTE]

    Again, I don't agree with everything W does, but he is certainly better than the viable alternative.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  12. JGrubbs

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    It depends on what you want the candidate to have experience in, Bush like most in Washington are experienced politicians, they are doing a good job as politicians of spending the taxpayers dollars and growing the federal government.

    Michael Peroutka is experienced in Constitutional Law and is the founder of the "Institute on the Constitution", which has been educating people nationwide about the US Constitution, It may be a good idea for George W. Bush to take this class from Mr. Peroutka, he may learn something that would help him run our nation like he is supposed to.
     
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    Wow!! The two major party's not only made it almost impossible for a third-party to get on the ballot in Texas, but they are blocking your voice by not allowing write-in votes? I would call your local election board and ask them. Let me know if they verify, that write-ins are not allowed in Texas. </font>[/QUOTE]I don't think that is what Bro. James said.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  14. JGrubbs

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    I know [​IMG]

    I should have used a [sarcasam] TAG, that is why I told him to "call your local election board and ask them".
     
  15. Joseph_Botwinick

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    It depends on what you want the candidate to have experience in, Bush like most in Washington are experienced politicians, they are doing a good job as politicians of spending the taxpayers dollars and growing the federal government.

    Michael Peroutka is experienced in Constitutional Law and is the founder of the "Institute on the Constitution", which has been educating people nationwide about the US Constitution, It may be a good idea for George W. Bush to take this class from Mr. Peroutka, he may learn something that would help him run our nation like he is supposed to.
    </font>[/QUOTE]I think I would like someone who isn't just an idealistic Constitutional theorist, but someone like Bush, who actually has experience in doing the things that he promises he is going to do and understands how to get things done politically. Peroutka certainly knows how he thinks things ought to be. I am just not sure he knows how to implement his idealism. I have voted for idealists before who were going to change the world and give us the moon. But then they got in and the reality of politics changed them because they didn't understand how the political system worked and how to implement their ideas. This is the perception I have of Peroutka.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  16. JGrubbs

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    I have decided to give Bush the benifit of the doubt on the increases in military spending, since we are fighting a war.

    But, even after you subtract the spending on the war, you still have over %25 increase in federal spending over the last three and a half years compared to less that 3% average increase in Clinton's eight years. This is a 25% increase that has nothging to do with 9/11 or the "war on terror".
     
  17. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Let's compare apples to apples and cite our source. What was the federal spending in the first 3 1/2 years of Clinton. Not the average of all 8 years. Somehow the way you worded that seems decieving to me.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  18. JGrubbs

    JGrubbs New Member

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    Constitutionalist who will honor his oath to protect and defend the US Constitution, or Globalist who will ignore the US Constitution in his quest to expand the federal government and spread "democracy" around the world.

    It's an easy choice for me to make! [​IMG]
     
  19. JGrubbs

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    Here are your "apples to apples" from a nonpartisan, nonprofit, "consumer advocate" for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics:

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    As Clinton's budget surpluses have turned to deficits, Bush has come under criticism from all sides, liberals complaining about tax cuts and, conservatives complaining about spending.

    A Cato Institute analyst wrote Jan. 23 calling the increase "The Republican Spending Explosion,” and said discretionary spending increases signed by Bush -- once adjusted for inflation -- "are 3 of the 10 biggest annual increases in the last 40 years.”

    A Heritage Foundation analyst wrote that "spending has increased twice as fast under President Bush as it did under President Clinton," and attributed the spending surge less to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 than to a lack of "self-discipline required to balance fiscal priorities."

    SOURCE
     
  20. JGrubbs

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    According to one recent analysis, the government now spends $20,000 a year for every household in America, the most since World War II.

    SOURCE
     
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