If You're Voting FOR Obama....

I've been supportive of the Democratic Party for much of my life. My father, who was a machinist like myself, was a democrat during the days of the Great Depression. Things these days, however, do not represent anything like it was decades ago. I have voted for both democrats and republicans during my 60 years on earth. I voted for Jimmy Carter, but also voted for Reagan in 1980. In 2008 I voted for McCain. Even though McCain lost and Obama won the election, I hoped he would turn things around for this country, and that Obama would do some of the things he said he would do. This has not happened, in fact things have gotten much worse.

Living in Houston, Texas, this recession has not had much of an economic effect on things here like the rest of the country. When looking at other things like the bypassing of the Constitution and attempting to act more like a dictator rather than a president, things that affect all Americans, like infringing on our right to bear arms, this administration has turned into something that causes me much concern.

I don't trust Romney, he seems to say only what his audience wants to hear. He has changed positions on most of his stances from years past. I fear he might turn out to be disappoint if elected. However, even with this apprehension over what he might do as president, there has to be a change in Washington DC. I plan to vote for Romney and hope I don't regret it. I feel that even if things don't go as they should, it has to be an improvement over what we face if Obama wins again.

PS: Even if Obama wins the presidency, if the republicans can hold the House and even win the Senate, it will give some hope for the future.

 

That is an utterly asinine point of view. Are you really so dense as to believe that all the people who vote Republican are super rich? They may be stupid but they are not super rich.

It is a fact that there are more rich democrats in the Congress than rich Republicans.

It is a fact that Obama collected more money from the super rich on Wall Street in 2008 than McCain.

It is a fact that Obama collects all the money from the super rich hollywood crowd.

It is a fact that Obama's evolution to a pro homo pervert gained him significant financial advantage.

Now, Now CTB. Do you really think you are fooling anyone on this forum with the above disclaimer? There is no more ardent supporter of Obama on this forum!

Are you really so obtuse to believe that Obama and the democrat party give a tinkers dam about the poor. They simply want power and people like you are willing to give it to them.

Now, Now CTB. Do you really think that anyone on this forum is simple enough to believe you are not super enthusiastic about Obama? You were in 2008 and still are!

 

Since Obama's policies are downright wicked, and would destroy the country, I am GLAD that they are opposing them!

 

Thank God they did otherwise the country would be in the same shape as Greece. Well actually worse since there is no one to bail out this country. It is obvious to all except those blinded by the Marxist mantra of Obama that his desire is to bankrupt the country with the hope that a Socialist state will arise from the ashes.

What is so pathetic about your slavish subservience to Obama is that you profess to be a Christian. Yet Obama has long been a rabid supporter of the murder of the unborn and the just born. He has recently evolved to the position of supporting the concept of marriage to sexual perverts. Both these perversions are in direct opposition to the Word of God yet you are willing to support this abomination. That is borderline sacrilege if not blasphemy.

Pathetic CTB. Who do you think is going to suffer if the country goes bankrupt? Not the rich, it is the poor and the middle class. At the present time the poor are living off the middle class. The rich folks make out regardless of who is in the White House.

CTB, I wonder sometimes if you are simply a troll. Surely a Christian cannot espouse the ideas you routinely post. Surely a Christian cannot justify supporting a party whose platform and leaders are rabid abortionists.

 

OldR, they even opposed ideas that they had advocated for years. No one believes any party should approve of everything a president proposes. But to decide before a person takes office to oppose everything is irresponsible.

The road to bankruptcy began under Bush. He had a budget surplus when he took office. He destroyed that and then by beginning two unjust wars had to borrow and borrow and borrow. I remember at one time we were borrowing a billion a week from China.

Through his misplaced practices Bush is responsible for the economic meltdown. The first bailout was during the last of the Bush administration.

I have never said I approve of everything he proposes or has done.

There is never any political party where your or I accept all their positions. I gave my answer, to me Obama has the economic interests of the middle class and poor more at heart than Romney. That is why I will vote for him unless Romney changes his stated beliefs and convinces me he has abandoned his interest in helping the rich at the expense of the middle class and poor.

I believe it is a board violation to say someone who is not a Christian who is a Christian. I answered the op question. There are many troll answers on the thread, yours included. As you would never vote for Obama you and others should not have replied on the thread as anything you say would not be an on topic response.

 

Such as???

He inherited a recession from Clinton but he did not spend the next 4 years blaming Clinton.

He inherited 9/11 from Clinton's preference for young women over protecting the country from terrorists!

Only one unjust war CTB. How much are we borrowing from China now? The budget deficit is about 3 times as much under your buddy Obama as it was under Bush!

Actually the housing meltdown is the result of policies instituted under Clinton and the defense by Barney Franks of Fannie and Freddie. I will concede that the Republicans caved to Barney!

One issue alone should be sufficient to keep a Christian from voting for Obama much less being an ardent proponent. That issue is the slaughter of the unborn. Then of course there is his evolving to an advocate for pro pervert marriage!

So you care nothing about the Obama/democrat program of slaughtering the unborn? You care nothing about their pushing the perversion of homosexual unions on the country? You should be ashamed of yourself!!

As for Obama and democrats caring for the poor that is ridiculous. Obama cares about nothing other than power. democrat politicians care about nothing other than power.

I posted the following CTB. I am not so stupid as to question the salvation of a board member but I can express amazement that a Christian would support one who is a rabid advocate of the slaughter of the unborn.

 

And I ask again, after his first two years where he had full control of both Houses of Congress, why weren't the poor and middle class better off? It's not like the Repubs got control of the House and started undoing legislation.

What did Obama do for the poor and middle class in his first two years?

After having Obamacare and every other piece of liberal legislation shoved down their throats the first couple of years, I don't blame them. He shouldn't be allowed to do anything but disappear.

But as I said before, it's evident, contrary to what liberals think, that Obama is not trying to help the poor and the middle class.

 

Franklin Delano Roosevelt, during the 8 long years of the Roosevelt Depression, discovered that there was gold, sorry, votes to be had from the poor. The very wealthy Roosevelt, born with a silver spoon in his mouth, was able to convince the poor and the blacks that he felt their pain, he knew what it was like to be poor. The democrats have been spewing their nonsense about caring for the poor ever since. The democrats are very good at lying to the gullible, far better than Republicans.

The following Scripture is just for you CTB. I am afraid, given your ardent love affair with Obama and the democrats, that you are not familiar with it. Otherwise????

Proverbs 6:16-18
16. These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17. A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

CTB, What could be more innocent than the unborn? Yet you support those who are happy to shed innocent blood as long as it buys votes.

 

He is more worried about people's money.

 

LOL!

What about the Bilderbergers? Please elaborate. I need some humor this morning.

 

Were they evil when Republicans advocated these same ideas?

 

They evolved!:laugh: They got Smarter!:laugh:

Seriously CTB quoting Rachel Maddow is brilliant!:laugh::thumbsup:

 

What is Christian about advocating the murder of innocent children in their mother's womb?

What is Christian about advocating same s-x relations?

I have not seen any indication that this president has a positive relationship with anyone who is a Christian.

 

Based on what I have observed in the two men I would say Romney fits the description of a follower of Jesus Christ far better than Obama.

As an Illinois state senator Obama tried to defeat a bill that would protect aborted babies born alive. Such a person certainly cannot be a Christian. One of his first acts as president was lifting restrictions on the use of foreign aid to promote the slaughter of the unborn. And you and Crabtownboy praise Obama! Very sad!

 

Romney follows a false god. How on earth does that more closely fit the description of someone following Christ?

 

Ah, but you see, you cannot "help" the middle class and poor without "hurting" the upper class.

It is never about the actual standard of living of the poor and middle class, it is about how they fare compared to the upper class.

 

Probably not in the long run.

 

I agree with your conclusion, and am going to vote for Romney. What I think of Romney is different than your idea, however. I believe neither man (Obama or Romney) to be a follower of Jesus Christ. I think Mormonism is a greater threat to the Christian church than the Catholic. My basis for voting for Romney is that I believe he will do less damage than Obama. I do believe it is possible that Romney has changed his ideas on gay rights and abortion, but not so sure. The thing is, there is no chance that Obama will change his mind.

We are talking about what if senarios, and this one might illustrate our differences, because in this case, we come to the same conslusion. If Jimmy Carter was running against Mitt Romney, I would vote for Carter. Just as a side note, I voted for Reagan over Carter.

I said four years ago McCain was the bottom of the barrel and ate my words, because now we have Romney and I am voting for him. I hesitate to say this is the last time, but will, because I do not see how the standards could get any lower.

 

That article is extremely biased and ignores its own diagnosis.


...the problem with the economy is not that the richest Americans don't have enough money--they do--but instead that the vast American middle class, which contributes most of the spending in the economy, is broke and deeply indebted, putting even more money in the hands of the richest Americans won't help the economy. It will just put more money in the hands of the richest Americans.

Again, the problem in the economy is that the corporations' end customers--the hundreds of millions of people in America's middle class--are broke.

So, if America's middle class is broke, isn't a tax cut EXACTLY what the government should be doing for them? Instead the article plays up the class warfare argument, in essence saying, "we shouldn't give the middle class a tax cut because then the upper class will get one too." And nowhere in the article is there one shred of commentary on how Romney's tax plan will "hurt most Americans."