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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by loDebar, Oct 5, 2018.

  1. loDebar

    loDebar Well-Known Member

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    I believe this verse:
    Jhn 3:18
    He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    is deliberately ignored.

    The power of this verse means that believing is the only thing required and we remain condemned because we have not believed..
    One is not condemned by not believing , but remains in that state until he believes.

    Believing on the name of the only begotten Son of God is all that is mention that to not be condemned.

    Theoretically, if one lives a life without sinning yet does not believe one is still condemned.

    It is as one condemned on death row can only be not condemned by accepting the offered pardon. If one does not accept the pardon, he is still on death row. Good behavior, keeping all the rules while on death row does not change the situation,, still condemned.
     
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    Why then is he condemned?
     
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    loDebar Well-Known Member

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    This verse v 18 does not say.

    Jesus said He was not sent to condemn either

    Jhn 3:17
    For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
     
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    The Biblical narrative has little to say about how we are condemned already, it is about saving the condemned.
    We know it is not through a physical line.
     
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    I understand belief to be an attribute of those whom God saves. And not a condition, as if the gospel were law, that we must bend and agree to before salvation happens.
     
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    Explain the difference between a attribute and condition.
     
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    Whoever has blond hair and blue eyes is probably from Northern European stock. Whoever believes has eternal life. = attributes

    You can have this car, but you must get a licence and buy insurance. Whoever chooses to believe will have eternal life. = conditions
     
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    The ability to accept spiritual matters is an attribute. Using that attribute to accept is a condition
     
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    We are all already condemned guilty in the fall of Adam!
     
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    Actually all men are sinners in need of the Savior (Romans 3:23). Only those whose name is not in the book of life are lost (1 John 5:4; Revelation 3:5; Revelation 20:15). Those who are not children or born over will perish (Mark 10:15; John 3:3; 1 John 5:1, 9
     
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    We are not guilty for Adam's sin. We sin on account of Adam's sin. [Ezekiel 18:20; Romans 5:12-13]
     
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    How did Adam fall?
     
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    Wow, so grateful for your answer. but we sin on our own account.
     
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    Yeah we do but I like Apostle Paul's answer the best... Brother Glen:)

    Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

    7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

    7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

    7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

    7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

    7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

    7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

    7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

    7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

    7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

    7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

    7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
     
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    “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1 Corinthians 2:14)

    Perfectly keeping the Two Great Commandments is the condition for eternal life too..............., but the common characteristics of those for whom Jesus fulfilled the law is believing and suffering in his behalf.

    “For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;” (Philippians 1:29)

    Now you can believe with all your might and suffer. But These are not conditions you meet for salvation, they are characteristics of those whom Christ saves.
     
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    Dave ,what verse show the natural man, who cannot discern the spirit things, changes to understand that they are spiritually lost?
     
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    I don't think they know they are lost, much less care that they are. But the Two Great Commandments written in the heart condemn them. Because they know how they want others to treat them, but do not treat others this way.
     
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    God sees all of us now under the Fall of Adam, as we all have sin natures from birth.
     
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    Nope, as the scriptures teach to us that we are all condemned and lost sinners when born, and then God chooses to save us, and when we receive Jesus as Lord thru faith, we are forever secured in the Book that has the names ofall of the redeemed from Eternity!
     
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