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Illuminatti - Free Masonry

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by butterbloom, Sep 12, 2002.

  1. Bible Believing Bill

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    Grammy,

    My post was directed at the original post and the link it contained. That link clearly stated that the masons were behind 9-11, and that President Bush was involved. That is where my comments were directed.

    On a side note your words Its true sure make it look like you agreed with the original post.

    Bill
     
  2. tyndale1946

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    Trying 2 understand... I know all about Mason enough to curl your hair... The layout of Washington D.C. and the dollar bill for one!... The all seeing eye and the Masonic line of presidents and leaders of other countries past and present!... The 9/11 article is just silly and the hand sign of the horned god my son uses it all the time... He is Deaf... It means I Love You!... The closest he ever got to a Mason is when he opened a mason jar!... Brother Glen :rolleyes: :eek:

    [ September 13, 2002, 01:25 AM: Message edited by: tyndale1946 ]
     
  3. butterbloom

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    Thank you to all of you for your thoughts.
     
  4. butterbloom

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  5. Lauren

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    This site has alot of information from the Masons standpoint NCmason (hope the link works!)
     
  6. Multimom

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    You may not say it but I will.

    Masonry is a cult. Clearly and completely defined. Also if you carefully study their funeral ritual you will note that one member attends completely dressed in black, and carries and open Bible draped with a black cloth which for the Mason represents the "covering" of the truth.

    Don't get me started.

    I'll check out the Christian Research Insitutue (the foremost authority on cults) and see what they have to offer.
     
  7. Multimom

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    Here's part of what I found and the article also points the finger at the SBC.

    Summary

    The Masonic Lodge in America is a highly influential organization claiming some four million members. Masonic leaders argue the lodge is not a religion but merely a fraternal body that seeks to better society and also assist the Christian church. It does this, they claim, by helping Christians become better members of their own faith.

    The truth is that Masonry is a distinct religion that espouses teachings incompatible with Christian faith in the areas of God, salvation, and other important doctrines. It is therefore inconsistent for any Christian to swear the oaths of Masonry to uphold and support the Lodge when Masonry's own ritual, doctrines, and impact in history have denied and opposed biblical teaching.

    http://www.equip.org/free/DM166.htm
     
  8. Lauren

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    Hi, Multimom, can you please "clearly and completely" define the word cult? Thanks.
    peace-L
     
  9. Johnv

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    It's true. And it's been brought to my attention over the past several years that EVERY President the US has ever had has been a member.

    Sorry, that is absolutely incorrect. Beware of what you read on websites these days. The internet is full of sites that claim that masons have "infiltrated" every corner of society. It makes for a great oliver stone movie, but that's about it. Doing simple search, I've found that there are sights that accuse Jerry Falwell, Franklin Graham, James Kennedy, and Charles Stanley of all being masons. One site even described an alleged photo of Jerry Falwell in a photo with a US president giving a "secret handshake".

    In the late 20th century, many ultra-extremist groups have resorted to listing "secret freemason members" on mailing lists, and now, the internet. It has become an avenue for extremists to take potshots at their enemies.

    The order of Freemasonery is indeed a fraternal organization. It does indeed require that their members believe in a higher power. But that's pretty much where its religious influence ends. If they're a cult based on that, then so are the boy scouts and girl scouts, because they, too, require their members to believe in a higher power, but leave that belief up to scout's religios customs. I'm not sure why the masonic order has been singled out of so many others (Elks, Moose, Shriners, Kiwanis, etc) to be the contemporary version of McCarthyism. (aka, we don't like that person, so we'll accuse them of being freemasons). Perhaps it's because of their secret rituals and customs. Who knows?

    There have been accusations that freemasons hide their affiliation. Not is untrue. According the the rules of freemasonery, a mason should be outwardly proud of his affiliation. It's common to see Masons wear tietacks or lapel pins with the freemasonery logo. Hiding one's membership would be unmasonic.

    There have been accusations that freemasons secretly only hire or do business with other freemasons. That too is untrue. In fact, excluding persons in business practices with prejudice to their membership violates one of the rules of freemasonery.

    There are accusations that the order is not a Christian organization. That's true. It's not a religious organization of any kind. It requires that members believe in a higher power, and it urges men who are masons to be active participants in their church, temple, or mosque.

    There are rumors that the one dollar bill is full of Masonic symbols, and that the design of the dollar bill was designed by masons. The truth is, there ARE symbols on the one dollar bill that also appear in freemasonery, but those are generally coincidence (the pyramid, for example). Other symbols that have been said to be masonic are not at all. As far as the designers being masons, Benjamin Franklin was a mason, but his designs were rejected by the committe that ultimately chose the design. In fact, the pyramid (allegedly masonic in origin) was not concieved by franklin at all. It was added by the final committee, none of whom were masons (franklin had left the committee to persue other interests, long before the design was approved). More on that at www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/dollarbill.htm

    In short, be careful of the information you get. You might just be doing Satan a favor by spreading inaccuracies.

    [ September 13, 2002, 05:34 PM: Message edited by: Johnv ]
     
  10. Grammy1013

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    Yes, I know now that the way I wrote it made it look like that's what I was saying. So sorry ... that's not the way I meant it.
    [​IMG]
     
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    rsr,

    Obviously, either what I read recently is mistaken or the page you sent needs updated. However, JFK being RC has nothing to do with him also being a mason (IF in fact, he was ... I'm not so sure now). My father was a mason and a Roman catholic. He told me that RC's are forbidden by the pope to be masons, but he joined anyhow. I'm sure a lot of other RC's do the same thing.
     
  12. Grammy1013

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    Lauren,

    Sorry for whining about 'jumping to conclusions' and 'words in my mouth', etc. I have to confess to you that the day I wrote that, I was having a bad time with other things. On a better day, I know I would've responded in a kinder manner. For not doing that, I apologize to you and anyone else my harsh whining offended. I should stay OFF the boards on days like that and spend my time praying instead [​IMG]
     
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    I think we all have days like that... [​IMG]

    AITB [​IMG]
     
  14. Lauren

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    No offense taken Grammy. I was in the wrong for stating you had posted the link when you had not. That is understandably annoying! Again, I apologize for my error. [​IMG]
    Boy , butter, Grammy got alot of flak for that link you posted! Do YOU believe what it says?

    Amen, AITB! [​IMG]

    His peace to all -L
     
  15. rsr

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    Grammy:

    I don't know what to tell you. If the Masons are proud of their presidents, and all the presidents were Masons, why wouldn't all presidents be listed?

    http://www.la-mason.com/famous.htm#pres

    About JFK being a Mason: Why is it then that so many conspiracy theories blame the Masons themselves for a part in the assassination?

    [ September 14, 2002, 12:50 AM: Message edited by: rsr ]
     
  16. Multimom

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    Lauren:

    The Christian Research Institute is recognized as the foremost authority on cults in our country. If you go to their website and look up the definitions of a "cult" they give clear criterion for establishing a group as a cult.

    The Masonic Lodge in most areas of practice and theology meet those criterion. I didn't have time to look up the link but if you go to your search and type in

    CHRISTIAN RESEARCH INSTITUTE

    then go to their search and type in Free Masonry, you will find those criterion and how the Masonic Lodge fits those criterion.

    Happy Hunting!! [​IMG]
     
  17. Lauren

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    Interesting..... a quick search on the internet produced mo less than a dozen differnet definitions of the word. :confused: :confused:
    Mirriam-Websters defines "cult" as:
    cult
    Pronunciation: 'k&lt
    Function: noun
    Usage: often attributive
    Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate —more at WHEEL
    Date: 1617
    1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP
    2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
    3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
    4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator &lt;health cults&gt;
    5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

    The Christian Research instutue says:

    There are two ways to define a cult. The first way to describe a cult is popular in the secular media. From this perspective, a cult is a religious or semi-religious sect whose members are controlled almost entirely by a single individual or by an organization.

    This kind of cult is usually manipulative, demanding total commitment and loyalty from its followers. Converts are usually cut off from all former associations, including their own families. The Hare Krishnas, the Family of Love led by Moses David Berg, and Sun Myung Moon’s Unification Church are some examples of this kind of a cult.

    The second way to define a cult is popular in evangelical Christian circles. From this perspective, a cult is any group that deviates from the orthodox teachings of the historic Christian faith being derived from the Bible and confirmed through the ancient ecumenical creeds.

    www.ex-cult.org says:
    Of course, the problem with the word 'cult' is that it means different
    things to different folks. I'd like to put forward a behavioral definition:
    An organization that uses intensive indoctrination techniques to recruit and
    maintain members into a totalist ideology.

    Intensive indoctrination techniques include:
    1) Subjection to stress and fatigue
    2) Social disruption, isolation and pressure
    3) Self criticism and humiliation
    4) Fear, anxiety and paranoia
    5) Control of information
    6) Escalating commitment
    7) Use of auto-hypnosis to induce 'peak' experiences

    religioustolerance.org says:
    Cult" is a totally meaningless word, because it has so many unrelated definitions. We have identified one positive, four neutral, three negative and one very negative meaning.

    In the media, the term is often used to refer to a destructive religious group which: Is new, small, evil, and dangerous.
    Often has a single charismatic leader.
    Engages in brainwashing and other mind control techniques.
    Believes that the end of the world is imminent.
    Collects weapons in preparation for attack.

    The word has other neutral or positive meanings, such as: A Christian group that teaches one or more untraditional beliefs.
    Any group which forms a small minority in a given country.
    A style of worship.
    and
    Cult: From the Latin word "cultus" -- meaning worship. Cult is a word with many religious meanings (and some secular as well) which should be used with great care to avoid misunderstanding. We recommend the neutral term "new religious movement" be used in its place. Even better is to refer to a religious group by its name:
    Traditional theological usage: a style of worship and its associated rituals. It can be applied to any faith group.
    Sociological usage: a small religious group that exists in a state of tension with the predominant religion; e.g. Christianity in Pakistan.
    General religious usage: a small, recently created religious group; not a variant of an established religion. Often headed by a single charismatic leader.
    Evangelical usage: a religious group that considers themselves to be Christian but which denies one or more historical beliefs of Protestant Christianity.
    Counter-cult movement usage: Same as Evangelical usage.
    Anti-cult movement usage: a small, evil religious group, often with a single charismatic leader, who engage in deceptive recruiting, brainwashing and other mind control techniques
    Popular belief: A doomsday, dangerous, destructive religious movement whose members risk their life to belong.

    Certainly, it is next to impossible to "clearly and completely" define the word cult. Using the scope of definitions above, almost any group of people can be described as a cult. :rolleyes: That said, here is a page written by a mason that defends against freemasonry being a destructive cult. Masonry a cult? It is worth a look.
    peace-Lauren [​IMG]
     
  18. Mrs KJV

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    I'm glad there are people like us who still believe there is a group called this. Alot of college graduates have been taught to believe there is no longer a group called the illumatti. I know because I have a friend that is a scholar in Shakespeare and have been writing a book for the pass 30 years on D.A. Waite and secret societys that have excisted and still do excist with the use of tarot cards and decoding in books.
    Many books that are great litature pieces. William Butler Yates the great literature writer was involved and tryed to expose this. This is fact because my friend worked for his daughter Annie Yates in Ireland in the 1960"s. He had full access to his libary.
     
  19. Multimom

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    If you are under the impression that the Masonic twisting of scripture makes it okay then I'm sorry you're so confused.

    If you carefully study their own works they are not compatable with the mainstream Christian Faith and should be avoided at all costs.

    Even some of their lodge symbols are satanic in origin one example is their use of the Pentagramic Star.
     
  20. jasonc65

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    The article at CRI demonstrates that Masonry is another gospel. However, the conspiracy theories are unfounded. So most of you are wrong, or are missing some excellent points.
     
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