I'm your huckleberry...Jn 6...Total Depravity

Excellent distinctions on the nuances of TD Skandelon. I am with you on this analysis. However, is it not equally as difficult to scripturally illuminate "prevenenient grace"?

 

You call this a life...ROFL

 

Translation needed please . What's a huckleberry in this context? I looked the word up, but only found:

huckleberry [húk'lbəri]
(plural huckleberries)
n
1. fruit: the edible dark-blue fruit of a bush related to the blueberry
2. plant like blueberry: a bush that bears huckleberries. Native to: North America.
Genus: Gaylussacia

[Late 16th century. Probably alteration of hurtleberry 'whortleberry']
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That definition doesn't really make much sense here.

 

19th century slang which means "I'm the man you're looking for".

 

[SIZE=+0][SIZE=+0]I cannot tell you what a Calvinist believes since I do not study the man and it seems that those who do cannot make up their mind's between themselves on what he taught. Also I never met John Calvin to ask him where he stands on the issues.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]As to total depravity I believe this. We are all born dead to God. Dead people cannot see, hear, or make choices. God in His mercy enlightens the dead with the ability to hear His initial call. (read the parable of the sower, they all could hear). However each makes a choice determining their outcome based on if their heart is of the right condition. Even the dead have to hear His initial call, but will reject if they have not been properly prepared, yet not without man's own personal involvement in the choice. There is nothing wrong with the seed, but there is something wrong with where it was sown. Un-prepared ground means no harvest. As with pharaoh who first hardened his heart more and more God will make the final hardening and the person is without remedy.[/SIZE]

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

He does not always get His will. Can makes the final choice and God seals it one way or the other.

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Thanks. (We don't have huckleberries here, so it's not used as a slang word).

 

Perhaps, one of the most graphic contexts of "I'm your huckleberry" occurs in the western movie Tombstone, a film about The Gunfight at OK Corral (a true event, more or less). To wallow in the full extent of the context, you might want to view the following video clip which occurs toward the end of the movie. The scene is a gunfight between Doc Holiday (good guy) and Johnny Ringo (bad guy). U.S. Marshall Wyatt Earp (friend of Doc Holiday) shows up after the shooting is over. The location of the historical incidents occurred around Tombstone, Arizona (1881-1884). The movie Tombstone was released in 1993.

Sometimes I think the theology debates here on Baptist Board remind me of the movie Tombstone.

WARNING: If you do not want to watch violence, do NOT watch the clip.

Doc Holiday and Johnny Ringo shoot it out in the movie Tombstone​

...Bob

 

Some maintain that the parable of the sower is about all of fallen mankind, others say the parable is about obedience and disobedience of regenerates, and there has been a lot of debates about this parable.

I am of the latter group.
Also, the Scripture you quoted is specifically referring, by context, to the elect.
God's will is for all to come to repentance, not to be eternally saved, but to reap the harvest of an earthly blessing.
Sin is sin, whether you be of God, or of the devil, and God will not countenance it and shield any of His children from its earthly consequences even if the eternal consequences have been settled by Christ.
Look at David's life.
However, not all of God's children will come to repentance, though all were redeemed by Christ.

 

This is a remake of the Kirk Douglas film "Gunfight at the OK Corral" that I never get tired watching.
Val Kilmer was good as Doc Holiday.

 

Among my many non-significant hobbies, I am an amateur Etymologist. Here are a few links that discuss the history behind the phrase "I'm you huckleberry."



World Wide Words



Lawson Stone



Everything



Urban Dictionary



The Phrase Finder



...Bob

 

So that this thread is not totally high jacked i will simply say that i disagree with you understanding of the Sower.
That being said you do however confirm my statement about God not always getting His will by your statement; "However, not all of God's children will come to repentance" even tough your understanding of your own statement is incorrect.

 

You mean you are not in full control of your will in life?

That would be jathur001. I come from a long line of zeros.

Maybe. But the same can be said of Arimians. Like..

Did you know that the Arminian doctrine, in its earlier form, did not directly affect the subject of Justification? It sounded more scriptural, and in harmony with the faith of the Reformed Churches.

He says expressly,

Yes I know what you believe therefore I rest my case on your statements. You do recall, we have debated before.

Well, they are without excuse, but it does matter BIG TIME.

From: The Works Of James Arminius Vol. 2..

Now many are fooled by the last part. Please do not be. This is Theory of voluntarily appropriated Depravity, which is how James Arminius handled OS. But when we get to this, and I'm sure we will, you will see that many have not read all of his doctrine here too.


I'll come back and address the rest later....

The wife needs to shop...

 

The first recorded zero is attributed to the Babylonians in the 3rd century BC. A long period followed when no one else used a zero place holder. But then the Mayans, halfway around the world in Central America, independently invented zero in the fourth century CE. The final independent invention of zero in India was long debated by scholars, but seems to be set around the middle of the fifth century. It spread to Cambodia around the end of the 7th century. From India it moved into China and then to the Islamic countries. Zero finally reached western Europe in the 12th century.

Although spiritually bankrupt, at least the Babylonians contributed something.

 

I don't understand many things. One is, I don't understand why somexpeople keep picking the above passages to make their point about Gods will. I do wish people would read the passage before pulling a verse or two trying to make their point, when the passage will not allow it.

 

Yes, he is not willing that any of the people to whom he has made the promise, HIS people, should perish.

Indeed, NONE of those people will perish. Therefore, God gets his will PERFECTLY here.

 

When I think huckleberry I remember the cartoon Huckleberry Hound....a bumbling muddled character that sings Oh My Darlin Clemintine.... you are lost & gone forever & your shoes are number 9.:wavey:

 

I'm back to post this little bit before church. Maybe I'll have time tonight to address Acts.

It is rather silly to argue against TD. This can be found throughout Scripture. This is the point we must agree upon. Salvation brings change.

New heart, new life, new creation, new eyes, new ears, new birth, new understanding, you become wise, you have understanding, you have sight...and more…….This newness comes from being in Christ because Christ is the life.

The state man is in before salvation is extreme. The Bible calls it being dead.


NOW>>>>If the Bible wanted to take it one step beyond dead to the lowest level of the life that man is in, the most extreme level in life one could be, where would that level be? There is no lower level in life than death.

If the Bible wanted to use words to give understanding to this deadness and use hearing to help express the level what is the most extreme level in a negative way that this can be stated? Would not, "cannot hear" be it?

Notice it does not say the level of hearing is based on the will. It does not say they will not hear. It says they CANNOT hear. Their ears do not work. What greater level could God use?

Notice this in the chapter as well…

Can we love God, before we are born again?

If The Bible were to use a word to tell of this deadness and wanted to use sight, what level could be lower than blindness? I know of none.

Its as if the Bible goes overboard telling the state of man in the deadness he is, and then free-willers say, well, man is really not that bad. I mean come on. What can the Bible say for you to believe this???

sight is a blessing from God.

If I were to list all the verses I would be here all day long.

This should not even be debated. Just believe the Bible on this one.

 

your a credit to your race Boyo. Have a good Sunday.

 

Yes, I agree. I have this movie and like you said, Val Kilmer's role as Doc Holiday makes watching the movie enjoyable. Besides, the rest of the actors do a good job also.

See, we can agree! :1_grouphug: