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"In God We Trust" a violation of "church-state separation"?

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by fromtheright, Dec 11, 2005.

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  1. fromtheright

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    Michael Newdow's latest effort to expunge God from the public square.
     
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    #2 fromtheright, Dec 11, 2005
  3. Bunyon

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    No doubt that the ninth circuit will support him. But there is something wrong with a country that allows roughs like this to tie up our legal system and resources with junk like this.
     
    #3 Bunyon, Dec 11, 2005
  4. fromtheright

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    I'll be curious to see if the Ninth Circuit finally gets some sense about them and kicks him out of their courtroom as they should.

    But I doubt it.
     
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  5. KenH

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    No, "In God We Trust" is not a violation of the U.S. constitution.
     
    #5 KenH, Dec 11, 2005
  6. faithgirl46

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    There is no such thing as Seperation of Church and State.
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  7. fromtheright

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    Agreed, faithgirl. That's why I put it in quotes.
     
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    I went to gogle and typed in Separation of Church and State. There are articles you can click on and place it here according to the rules Baptist Board has for posting things we find on line.
    Faithgirl
     
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  9. Bro. James Reed

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    Didn't the SC already rule on this matter years ago?
     
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  10. rsr

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    I think separation is a prime directive of Baptists.

    As to "In God we Trust." ...

    Why would any Christian want that phrase on their money? Does that mean that folks who don't trust in God can't use it? If not, what does it mean?

    Some vague religiosity?
     
    #10 rsr, Dec 12, 2005
  11. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    It is not unconstitutional.

    It is also not true unless a faithful, decicated Christian has the monehy in their own pocket.

    The USA does not trust God more than any other country.
     
    #11 NaasPreacher (C4K), Dec 12, 2005
  12. fromtheright

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    But, rsr, is it unconstitutional?
     
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    It's been there for a long time. A more proper question would be why would a Christian want it removed?
     
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    #14 NaasPreacher (C4K), Dec 12, 2005
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  16. Johnv

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    Like his previous attempts, this one will likely fail. I'm not overly concerned.

    One this that concerns me more is the religious fund-raising groups that will hijack this issue issue as their own and use it to make a quick buck. There is still one major ministy ( whom I will not name) that still claims that "under God" has been removed from the pledge in California, and asks people to donate to them to "fund" legal action.
     
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    I would take it off the money simply because it isn't true. But to answer the question, yes I think it violates the establishment clause of the constitution.

    That a baptist would say that there is no such thing as seperation of church and state or that there shouldn't be is frankly frightening!
     
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  18. Johnv

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    It was put on the money as a social attempt to fight communism. That said, in and of itself, it does not violate the establishment clause, because it does not endorse any secrerian religious establishment. If, otoh, it said "In Jesus Christ we trust" or "In Mohammed we trust", then that would be a clear violation.
    Indeed. The establishment clause if Amendment I is clear and concise. Though some argue that "separation of church and state" is liberal, it is actually a liberal view to deny and ignore the Amendment I establishment clause.
     
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    What if I don't believe in God or god or Jesus or Mohammad, what then?
     
    #19 go2church, Dec 12, 2005
  20. fromtheright

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    Perhaps I should have re-phrased the question: Does "In God We Trust" on our currency violate the First Amendment's establishment clause? (thanks for the clarification, G2C)

    G2C, how is this phrase on our currency an establishment of religion? What religion is advanced and given coercive power (which is what the established church had prior to the Revolution) by the presence of that phrase? Your last question is easily answered: what of those who in fact don't believe in God? Is their purchasing power any less? Don't they use the same currency? Is their lack of belief somehow punished by the presence of that phrase on our currency? I'll bet that they'll take their paychecks and spend their money just like a believer would.
     
    #20 fromtheright, Dec 12, 2005
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