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Inspiration vs Preservation Part 2

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Askjo, Jan 14, 2006.

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  1. Askjo

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    Missionary quoted;
    That is the doctrine of preservation of the Holy Scriptures, NOT the people.

    C4K quoted:
    TR group said, God’s Words.

    CT group said, His people.

    The problem with this verse is that the people are not here on the earth today, but God’s Words are here today because the people died already in the OT. The people are not “forever”, but His Words are forever – that is how we GET the Bible, not the people.

    TCassidy quoted:
    Why are you interested in margin notes more important THAN God’s Words? You jumped so far from 7 to verse 5 instead of 6. I remember that you talked about masculine and feminine on Psalm 12:6-7. A scholar shows that Hebrew words sometimes do NOT agree as far as masculine and feminine.

    My teacher in English class told me during I was in High School that I should NOT jump SO FAR from the sentence to other sentence or from words to other words in English book. She pointed at this English book where I answered her question and she replied to me, ‘Wrong!”

    No, you are wrong! Look for my comment above.
    Why did you lie by denying that the NKJV ADD, “God” on Acts 7:5? God, “theo” was not in the TR on Acts 7:5?
    Please provide me some example.

    Wiseman quoted:
    You deny that God is PERFECT to give us the Bible. The KJV is a VERSION. Keep in mind that a version is NOT perfect, but the Bible is PERFECT. I called the KJV, the “Bible”! The KJV is not PERFECT version, but PERFECT Bible.
    That is the KJV for our mother tongue -- English-speaking!

    Missionary quoted:
    That is correct.
    That is right. I agree with that.
    Modern versions messed up with the deity of Christ in the NT only around 200 times.
    That is true!
     
    #1 Askjo, Jan 14, 2006
  2. Ed Edwards

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    That is the doctrine of preservation of the Holy Scriptures, NOT the people.

    C4K quoted:
    TR group said, God’s Words.

    </font>[/QUOTE]Ed's AVOIDING MAJOR ERROR THEORY:

    Do NOT make your doctrine on ONE AND ONLY ONE
    verse     (especially one you don't even understand).

    Can anybody here prove the Doctrine of
    Preservation of God's Written Word without Psalms
    12:7?
     
    #2 Ed Edwards, Jan 14, 2006
  3. Ed Edwards

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    Amen, Brother Tom Cassidy -- Preach it! [​IMG]

    What you say would make a good trailer --
    every time you say it some are ignoring it,
    goodness, it already is a trailer.

    The KJV1611 Edition footnote at Psalms 12:7
    blows KJVOism right out of the water.

    Please use 'KJVs' instead of 'KJV'

    ;
    there are many editions of the KJVs
    Please use "Textus Recepti" (plural)
    instead of "Textus Receptus" (singular);
    there are multiple versions of the
    Received texts.

    Present in my KJV1611 (Paper) Edition are translator footnotes. Present in my
    KJV1873 (Papter) Editon are translator
    footnotes. NOT present in eight of my paper
    KJV1769s and my paper KJV1850 is the
    translator footnotes. HONESTY demands the
    the translator footnotes.
     
    #3 Ed Edwards, Jan 14, 2006
  4. Ed Edwards

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    TR group said, God’s Words.

    CT group said, His people.

    The problem with this verse is that the people are not here on the earth today, but God’s Words are here today because the people died already in the OT. The people are not “forever”, but His Words are forever – that is how we GET the Bible, not the people.

    ...     </font>[/QUOTE]In #1 it was shown several
    times that the TR users who translated
    the KJV knew that their is a BIBLE VARIANT
    that says 'he' not 'them' in verse 7.

    Psalm 12:57 Geneva Bible, 1587:

    Now for the oppression of the needy, and for the sighes of the poore, I will vp, sayeth the Lord, and will set at libertie him, whom the wicked hath snared.
    Psa 12:6 The wordes of the Lord are pure wordes, as the siluer, tried in a fornace of earth, fined seuen folde.
    Psa 12:7 Thou wilt keepe them, O Lord: thou wilt preserue him from this generation for euer.

    Remember, the Geneva Bible was God's
    Only Written Word before 1611.

    That is no problem The people are still
    being preserved by God. Ever hear about
    ETERNAL LIFE?

    -YBIC, Ed:
    Teaching here for 3½-years that all
    English Versions of the Bible (but not
    JUST only English Versions) are individually
    and collectively the inspired and
    preserved Written Word of God.
     
    #4 Ed Edwards, Jan 14, 2006
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    Wrong! There isn't a single Hebrew manuscript anywhere in the world that indicates words instead of people.
    Wrong again! The TR and CT are New Testament. Psalms is in the Old Testament.
    And wrong for the third time!

    5 For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.

    God says in verse 5 that the problem is that the poor and needy are being oppressed.

    6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

    God says that when He makes a promise, it is a good promise, and He will keep it. His word is pure, not false like some people's promises.

    7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

    God will keep the poor and needy, he will preserve them from the wicked generation that is oppressing them, and that promise is good forever.
    I am not. It is uncontested that God's word says He will preserve the oppressed people. But unlike you, I trust the KJV, and the KJV translators said that the "them" refers to the "poor and needy" of verse 5. You claim the KJV translators were a bunch of lying apostates. I think they were good men who did a good job and were correct.
    The exception of the gender rule in Hebrew can only be broken if there is no same-gender antecedent. That is not the case here.
    Unfortunately your teacher needs a little remedial education. The principle of the remoter antecedent is very common in most languages including Hebrew and English
    I did. It was wrong too.
    Duh! A word is not a verse! Ann, I already explained this to you but you either forgot or didn't understand.
    If I give you some examples of the KJV departing from the TR will you abandon the false doctrine of KJVOnlyism?
     
    #5 TCassidy, Jan 15, 2006
  6. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Please don't re-open closed threads to rehash the same topic in a thread that was closed.
     
    #6 NaasPreacher (C4K), Jan 15, 2006
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