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Intellectual or inspired learning?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by ajg1959, Mar 18, 2009.

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  1. ajg1959

    ajg1959 New Member

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    I do believe that true bible knowledge is inspired. I dont know any personally, but have heard that many of the world's well known athiests are actually bible scholars.

    I see many preachers on TV with many degrees, but i seriously doubt their relationship with God when they ask me to "sow a seed of $1000, and God will return it 7 times"

    AJ
     
  2. Marcia

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    What do you mean by "true bible knowledge is inspired?" Nobody is inspired, AJ. God's word was inspired, not the people who wrote it.

    None of us are inspired that way today.

    The best bible teachers I know are educated.
     
  3. ajg1959

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    I am so sorry. Marcia, please forgive me.

    You are so much smarter and closer to God than me, and I should shut up and just listen to you.

    Many many pardons, please

    I bow before you

    AJ
     
  4. tinytim

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    It is all about attitude..

    I know some very educated Christians who are humble...
    I know some very uneducated Christians who are arrogant...

    The Bible says that we are to "Study to show ourselves approved"...
    God values education.. but he also values humbleness...

    The key is both.
     
  5. Rippon

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    You still insist on using that word "inspired" to convey something that is distinctly not.A godly preacher may be used mightily of the Lord -- but that's not the same thing as the God-breathedness (to coin a word) which the biblical authors were under.

    You probably are very mistaken. It seems like you are setting up some very false ideas here. There are many consevative Bible scholars for which we all owe a lot to under God.


    You have got to be kidding. Those Word of Faith "preachers" are not known for their degrees or intellectual abilities -- to say the least!
     
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    I think you you are being a bit snarky here AJ. Your attitude is not lending any credence to the point of your OP.
     
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    See what I mean?

    I dont agree with everything you say but I dont pick your posts apart line by line.

    AJ
     
  8. ajg1959

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    Yeah, I feel "snarky" tonight.

    With all the other "attitudes" on here, why cant I have one?

    AJ
     
  9. Marcia

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    So you'd rather be sarcastic and put me down than discuss the issues? Who's being a snob now?
     
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    Is this a debate forum, or not? I take the time to go line by line to be careful to note the words you use and the ideas you present. Would you rather that I just address your posts in block format?
     
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    I think some of the ten individuals that he respects should PM him regarding his comments in this thread -- especially his remarks toward you.
     
  12. Marcia

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    [​IMG] :wavey:
     
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    I thought we were discussing the intellectual approach in biblical studies versus just reading the Bible as it appears. All was going well and I went off for an hour. I came back to this garbage and finger-pointing. Frankly, I am aghast! Talk about humbly serving the Lord!
    I am sorry for those at the end of those fingers, including the ones not named.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    I agree. This thread needs to be closed.
     
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    AJ, I certainly do not consider myself to be an intellectual, but I highly respect those who are. I also respect those "corn-fed" preachers who never sat in a seminary classroom...if their attitude is right. Whether intellectual or ignorant, the attitude is the difference.

    In my humble opinion, you have a big chip on your shoulder because some of the members on this board who you consider to be intellectuals did not come to your rescue when you needed them. Have you thought about the possibility that their intellectualism was not the cause of their not being there for you? I am not sure in which category you would place me, but I have to say I never knew of your circumstance. I suppose I missed it, so I apologize for "not being there for you."

    As for me, I prefer to not determine a person's spirituality level based on their level of intelligence.
     
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    Threads like this are uncalled for.
     
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    I asked for a list of names because I tire of the constant "well certain people around here are..." mumbo-jumbo and false accusations.

    Intellectual have a tough task to bear. With much learning can come arrogance. Sitting in an ivory tower often allows many to truly look down on other people. That said the rampant anti-intellectualism of many in descreditting degrees and the need for educated leaders can do the same thing.

    That said with great learning should come humility. And with those who desire to learn there needs to be equal parts submission to someone who has been gifted, called, and equipped to serve.

    No one around here (so far as I have met them) suggests they have a better salvation than anyone else. No one here that I know of believes their Christianity is more pure because of education. We are all students, just in different grades.

    I have way too many degrees and worked hard to secure my doctorate. That said I still know wonderful elderly women in my home church that can whip my rear in terms of where they are in their relationship with God and the wisdom in their life...and they don't have a degree past high school.

    Maybe this thread should be closed.
     
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    I have grown up around much of the reverse snobbery we see in this post.

    There was an excellent sermon the other in my church about how sin makes us become what we hate.
    IT was from the life of David and I am reminded of that here.

    There are people who feel intimidated by the snobbery of those who are more educated who abuse their knowledge with a rotten attitude.

    Often those who are less educated, rather than pressing to gain more education themselves, react against education altogether.

    I know people personally who are now totally against seminaries and Bible colleges.
    THey are just as much snobs in their anti-intellectualism as those who who have degrees.

    Actually, those who are snobby in their lack of formal education are often even mroe arrogant than those who have formal education because they are "better" than to need that "seminary stuff".
     
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    I reverse snobbery like reverse racism? I mean the terms make no sense to me because snobbery (no matter who its directed at) is snobbery. Racism is racism. No need to put reverse. Whether its directed at poor or the wealthy. Whether its directed at white or black.
     
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    Theological education isn't required for salvation or evangelism. Jesus said that we must become like a little child in order to enter the kingdom. The Bible also says that we should study to show ourselves approved unto God. I believe this has to Christian growth and discipleship. The better we can understand God's will as demonstrated and Jesus' example on earth the better we can follow Him. Theological education is also very useful for teachers and preachers so that they can clearly and correctly teach the Word.

    The bottom line is Jesus' statement that in the Kingdom of Heaven the last shall be first and the first shall be last. Service not intellectualism is the ultimate objective.
     
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