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INTENTIONALL AND UNINTENTIONAL SINS.

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  1. Alex2165

    Alex2165 Member

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    INTENTIONALL AND UNINTENTIONAL SINS.


    Ezekiel 45.20
    20. ”And this you shall do on the Seventh Day of the month *for everyone who goes astray or is naive, so you shall make atonement for the House.


    ~ 20. *for everyone who goes astray or is naive.

    KSB "goes astray" - отклонился, отошёл.

    KJV "every one that erreth" - каждый кто согрешил.

    NRSV "who has sinned through error" - кто согрешил по ошибке.

    NIV "anyone who sins unintentionally" - любой кто грешит неумышлено.

    ESV "anyone who has sinned through error" - любой кто согрешил по ошибке.

    Gideons "everyone who has sinned unintentionally" - каждый кто согрешил неумышлено.

    GNB "who sins unintentionally" - кто грешит неумышлено.



    Here is presented undeniable evidence that those who sin intentionally cannot be forgiven and saved, except if they turn back to GOD, repent, and stop doing evil, before they die.


    It is absolutely opposite of the teaching which is said that all are saved through death of Jesus Christ and all sins are forgiven, which is totally false and deceiving statement, the doctrine of false hope and literally dead end.


    Even here in OT a line is drawn between intentional and unintentional sins. Cleansing, concentration, and atonement of the house of Israel are done only for those who sinned unintentionally or by some kind of error, without knowing what they are doing.


    Those who sin intentionally and do not repent and do not turn away from their evil deeds, they cannot be forgiven and saved no matter how many sacrifices and prayers was done for them.


    Of course not all sins leading to death, but also not all sins are forgiven and can be washed away by sacrifice or by prayer. So depends on what kind of sin was done, according to that sin a person will be judged, forgiven or not.


    This verse in this context clearly indicated that only for those who sinned unintentionally the cleansing, concentration, and atonement are made, and those who sin intentionally are not even mentioned here at all, means that they are not counted among those who sinned unintentionally, and subsequently would not receive cleansing, concentration, atonement, and forgiveness of sins as result of their intentional transgressions, but would bear their quilt for life and die without any hope of salvation.


    This is not only one place taken from the single Book, it is a theme of entire Bible that warning people to examine their ways, to have FEAR OF GOD, and to stop sin intentionally, before it too late.
     
  2. canadyjd

    canadyjd Well-Known Member

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    This distinction is made in the OT Law and refers to offerings made at the Temple for atonement.

    Believers have Jesus Christ as our great High Priest Who has made the once for all time sacrifice for our sin and continuously makes intercession on our behalf before the Father. All sins, intentional or not, have been forgiven.

    Additionally, we have God Holy Spirit indwelling to lead us, convicting and disciplining us when we fall short and testifying with our spirit we are children of God.

    Peace to you
     
  3. Alex2165

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    Yes, very nice, I read it and heard it many times that Jesus forgives all, and we are all saved, and nothing to worry about.


    Very cliché.


    So we can intentionally sin as much as we want and Jesus would forgive and save us all, very pretty indeed.


    I think you completely forgot about Day of Judgment.


    Read "Separating sheep from goats" Ezekiel 34.1-23.30-31, Matthew 25.31-46


    Please explain, who are those people whom Jesus send to Hell?


    Matthew 5.22.29-30, 18.8-9, 25.41.46, Mark 9.43-48

    22."But I say to you that if you are angry with a brother or sister, you will be liable to judgment, and if you insult a brother or sister, you will be liable to the council, and if you say, ‘You fool,’ you will be liable to the Hell of fire.

    29.If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away, it is better for you to lose one of your members than your whole body to be thrown into hell.

    30.And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away, it is better for you to lose one of your members than your whole body to go into hell."



    Matthew 7.13-14.21-23

    13."Enter through the narrow gate, the gate is wide and the road is easy that leads to destruction, and there are many who take it.

    14.The gate is narrow and the road is hard that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

    21.Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father in Heaven.

    22.On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?’

    23.Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you, go away from me you evildoers.’


    Matthew 13.41.49-50

    41."The Son of Man will send forth His angels and they will gather out of His Kingdom all stumbling blocks and those who commit lawlessness,

    42.and they will throw them into the furnace of fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    49.So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous,

    50.and throw them (the evil) into the furnace of fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."


    Luke 13.26-28

    26."Then you begin to say, ‘We ate and drank with You and You taught in our streets.’

    27.But He will say, ‘I do not know where you come from, go away from me, all you evildoers!’

    28.There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the Kingdom of GOD, and you yourselves thrown out."


    Luke 16.23-28. Parable of Jesus about rich man and Lazarus.


    Revelation 21.8

    8."But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, the murderers, the fornicators, the sorcerers, the idolaters, and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the Second Death."
     
  4. canadyjd

    canadyjd Well-Known Member

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    Why would any Christian, indwelt by God Holy Spirit, “intentionally sin as much as we want”?

    The people who are sent to hell are the people who do not have indwelling God Holy Spirit, who is given as the pledge promise from God the Father that all that Jesus taught about faith in Him and His work on the cross is true.

    Jesus said there will be “many” in the day of judgement that will point to all their good works in the name of Jesus, to which you seem to be requiring as proof of salvation, and they will be cast out.

    They were “never known” by Jesus in that personal relationship that is required by God for salvation.

    peace to you
     
  5. Alex2165

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    You changed subject now to Holy Spirit and trying exit dead end in which you put yourself.


    You wrote:

    "The people who are sent to hell are the people who do not have indwelling God Holy Spirit."


    This is true if only they intentionally sin before having Holy Spirit in them, and after receiving Holy Spirit they no longer sin intentionally, OK.

    But if they would sin unintentionally, is that would be considered that they still posses Holy Spirit? Is it would be obvious to realize that the people "indwelt by God Holy Spirit" cannot sin at all?


    1John 3.6..
    6.No one who abides in Him sins, no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.

    9.No one who is born of GOD practices sin, because His seed abides in him and he cannot sin, because he is born of GOD.


    About what kind of sins John talking here, about intentional or unintentional sins?


    You wrote in your previous post: "All sins, intentional or not, have been forgiven."


    According to you only for those who "indwelt by God Holy Spirit" and of course after receiving Holy Spirit they sinned no more, because if they sin even unintentionally, that will show that there is no Holy Spirit in them.


    GOD not always put His Holy Spirit in people unless he or she must fulfill a special purpose or a plan of GOD, majority of the people must be born from Holy Spirit.


    John 3.5-8
    5.Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the Kingdom of GOD without being born of water and Spirit.

    6.What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.

    7.Do not be astonished that I said to you. You must be born from above.

    8.The wind (spirit) blows where it chooses and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."


    Those who have Holly Spirit in them performed extraordinary miracles and wonders as Deliverers of Israel did in their time.

    Those who posses Holy Spirit fulfill the Law of GOD.

    Those who posses Holy Spirit expel demons.

    Those who posses Holy Spirit heal people spiritually and physically.

    Those who posses Holy Spirit speak languages.

    Those who posses Holy Spirit prophesying.

    Those who posses Holy Spirit sold their possessions and left their homes and families for Christ.

    Those who posses Holy Spirit willing to sacrifices themselves for the name of Christ.

    And much more.


    How many of us who call ourselves Christians "indwelt by God Holy Spirit" and no more sin intentionally or unintentionally? Never lie, never cheat, never said bad word, hold our desires in check, obey all Lord's Commandments?


    Are you also "indwelt by God Holy Spirit" and no more sin intentionally or unintentionally , fulfill all Statutes of the Lord, and willing to give up everything for His name sake?


    Is it would be hypocritical talking about indwelt of Holy Spirit in humans in order to prove the false doctrine that only those who possess the Holy Spirit are forgiven and will be saved?
     
  6. canadyjd

    canadyjd Well-Known Member

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    I think I understand your position. You believe people will lose their salvation if they intentionally sin. I disagree.

    peace to you
     
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