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Interracial Marriage

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Rubato 1, Dec 10, 2007.

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  1. Gold Dragon

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    There is only one human race so folks actually opposed to interracial marriage must be talking about marriage between humans and animals or humans and Vulcans or something like that. What kind of person would be opposed to marriage based on melanin concentration in skin which is not discussed in the bible?
     
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    OK, I see where you are coming from. My apologies. This issue really pushes my buttons. I will edit the comment.
     
  3. Gold Dragon

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    No worries. I realized I wasn't very clear on my point.
     
  4. corndogggy

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    FYI, black people absolutely HATE hearing this as supposed proof that one is not racist. Hearing a black guy flip this around and say "I even have white friends" is pretty funny stuff.
     
  5. StefanM

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    Agreed. Having a black friend doesn't mean you aren't racist.

    ...just like having a color TV doesn't make you diverse.
     
  6. Magnetic Poles

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    Yes, it does.

    Thanks for self-identifying.
     
  7. EdSutton

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    Not to mention, "sick in the head" as well!

    Ed
     
  8. EdSutton

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    rbell, I believe you are overestimating that preacher.

    Ed
     
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    Amen, Bro.!

    Ed
     
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    Hypocritical!!!

    SFIC is a Gentile
    Linda (his wife) is a Jew!!!

    Are you saying your marriage is not of God?
     
  11. Magnetic Poles

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    Sadly, some people are standing firm in hypocracy, bigotry, and ignorance. Looks like its only blacks that he dislikes.
     
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    We are all mixed race to some extent. Depending upon the level of differing skin color, the ones who usually suffer are the children. And it depends upon their community. This is not to point fingers, or to be used as an absolute. Just a consideration.
    Here are some verses. Obviously, the Lord isn't talking about jumbling only languages here or communication, he wants these folks segregated along with it, so the races are not able to mingle amongst one another. Not sure exactly why but I have a feeling... It appears he wants the races to not mix their future lineage. I could be wrong, but it appears that way. Or maybe the Lord has changed his mind since then....:)

    Genesis 11
    And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
    Gen 11: And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
    Gen 11:3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.

    Gen 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top [may reach] unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

    Gen 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

    Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people [is] one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

    Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

    Gen 11:8So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

    Gen 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

     
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    Rubato 1, I am going to try and answer a bit of this, by raising some other questions along with my comments.

    #1. What exactly is "race" in Scripture? The word does not once occur in the KJV, in any such regard, and occurs a few times in the RV and ASV having to do with some identification. Four times (Mk. 7:26; Ac. 4:36; 18: 2, 24) refer to the place of one's birth; Two times (Ac. 7:13,19) reference the family of Jacob/Israel; and I Pet. 2:9 refers to believers as "an elect race". While these may have been an acceptable understanding in 1881, that is carrying a completely improper connotation, today, as to what the text is saying. There is not one hint of 'skin pigmentation' implied in these verses, in any way whatsoever. In fact, I will go on record as sayng that God recognizes exactly two races of people, first, the Gentiles and second, the Jews. Even the rest of the 'kin' of Abraham are not classified with Jacob/Israel, nor is there any implication in Scripture, of such. I guess one could claim that the Christian, Jew and Gentile alike, becomes a 'new race' in Christ, but that is the total limit and breakdown given in Scripture, as far as I can tell.

    Adam was "red"; David was "ruddy"; Jacob was 'fair'; Esau was "red"; the Shunamite (Abishag??) was "dark"; and I believe that one can identify one of the twelve or perhaps Simon of Cyrene (but cannot remember at the moment which one) as perhaps "dark" as well. But to my knowledge, that is about it, as to 'color'.

    Uh - what did Jesus, Noah, Moses, John, and Paul look like? Anyone got a clue, here? (BTW, Charlton Heston, in portraying a white-haired 'Moses' does not count, here!) :laugh: :laugh:

    To my knowledge, the Bible never anywhere states that "God separated into races", per se, in any place. God did "separate", by confounding the languages at Babel, in Gen. 10:6-10; and/or "divided" the earth, in the days of Peleg, by language, as I said. Read Gen. 10 and 11. Read what it actually says. I'd like to add more, but my nephew just called needing my help, so I have to leave for awhile. I don't know if I'll be able to get back to this anytime soon.

    Ed
     
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    We see, yes, Moses did marry that Midianite lady---Zipporah

    There was a problem in their marriage---though

    I believe the problem DID NOT lie in the fact that they were of different races

    The problem lie in the fact that he was Hebrew and she was not---over in Exodus 4----the problem is manifested---layed out in the open when it came time for Moses to circumsize their little boy

    Look at the commotion that ensued----look what temper Zipporah displayed

    She grabs a sharp stone(probably wasn't "razor sharp"--thus adding to the insult)---and does the circumcision herself---then she says

    "Surely a bloody husband art thou to me."(Ex. 4:25)

    Then in verse 26 she repeats---"A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision."

    Nothing there about race--but plenty there about the difference between Midian and Hebrew culture and religion

    But you know---I got to thinking---the world OUGHT to view the Christian religion---they OUGHT to view Christianity as a "bloody" religion---we ARE the only religion with a bloody cross---aren't we???

    See?? Thats the difficulty between two religions---between Christianity and some other worldly religion order---thats the difference between saved people and those that are not saved----see??? To be saved means you are part of something bloody

    A non Christian fixing to marry a Christian??? Brother---you're fixing to have a problem----that non Christian will see that Christian reiligion and say the same thing as ole Zipporah----"You are a bloody person---you and that cross---bloody---"You are a bloody husband/wife---because of the cross!!!!"

    But nothing there about differences in race or skin color---I believe Moses didn't have a problem accepting Zipporah's skin color nor did Zipporah have a problem with Moses' skin color---the problem was the circumcision---she never got over it---did she???
     
  15. tinytim

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    Very good post!!
     
  16. Filmproducer

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    :laugh: :laugh: Don't ya know every good racist out there has a black friend stashed away for such occasions? ("Christian" racists are the worst with their black brothers and sisters in Christ who believe the same...) :laugh: :laugh:

    Most of you know how close I am to this subject so I'll bow out now leaving one final thought- The idea that God frowns upon interracial marriages is a bunch of baloney.
     
  17. Joe

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    Is that suppose to be funny?
     
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    Sadly yes. It shouldn't be funny, but when you participate in these types of debates enough it grows on you. :thumbs:
     
  20. Rubato 1

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    I knew someone would mention this, so I don't blame you. This is an honest inquiry, because it has become somewhat of an issue lately in my life. I'm glad to see the discussion, though (as long as we stay on track). I want to hear the biblical bases on either side. I still hear a lot of opinions and ridicule.
     
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