Is. 45.7-8

create(d); to create
H1254
בּרא
bârâ'
BDB Definition:
1) to create, shape, form
1a) (Qal) to shape, fashion, create (always with God as subject)
1a1) of heaven and earth
1a2) of individual man
1a3) of new conditions and circumstances
1a4) of transformations
1b) (Niphal) to be created
1b1) of heaven and earth
1b2) of birth
1b3) of something new
1b4) of miracles
c) (Piel)
1c1) to cut down
1c2) to cut out

2) to be fat
2a) (Hiphil) to make yourselves fat
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: a primitive root
Same Word by TWOT Number: 278


Does the above information seem to shed a greater light on Isaiah 45. 7-8?

45:7  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
8  Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.

It did for me!

God Bless
Bro. Dallas Eaton

 

Thanks Scott, but aren't both stems active?

According to Young's, would this hold true even in the present phrase?

"The conjugations from 1-7 are: Kal (Qal, I assume), Niphal, Piel, Pual, Hiphil, Hophal, Hithpael." I believe these are ordered respectively according to the below:
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This is further explained by Young as if it would be understood: 1: Kal--He created; 3: Piel--He created evil, the distinction given as to provide an object of the action, is this correct, Young's uses the word QATAL as an example word and it is given in the following way:

1: Kal--He killed; 3: Piel--He killed violently

In each is the same conjugation of the action verb, yet it is the descriptor added in the third conjugation that particularizes the action.

So, if I am correct, and this remains to be seen, as there are others much more qualified to explain and/or do what I have attempted above, this would render Isaiah 45.7-8 to be speaking, plainly what it says:

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
8  Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.

I form the light here is yatsar meaning To fashion, frame, constitute, form (Young's); with light being the object, or that which is formed

and create darkness here is bara also found at Gen. 1.1; and also bearing the meaning 'to prepare, form, fashion, create; with darkness being its object.

I make peace, here is asah and this means 'to do, make' (young's)

and create evil again bara meaning the same as given above with the object being evil; (here, IMHO, evil and darkness are being distinguished).

I the LORD have created it. here the word is again bara meaning: To prepare, form, fashion, create; (what is the object here?) IMHO, 'it', ok, what is 'it'; the object becomes that which is stated in the first part of vs. 8:
Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together;

This is such as again, IMHO, a command of God. (Just a thought added, what is the order in which God did create?)

Seeking to better understand the Word of God, desiring the prayers of His people

God Bless.
Bro. Dallas Eaton

 

I would not rule that out altogether, yet, can 'calamity' not be considered as 'evil'? I have always considered here to be found that which is both designed to work and to show the evil of a person's heart, then being that which 'the goodness of God' leadeth to repentance.

Just some thoughts.

God Bless.
Bro. Dallas Eaton

 

Good Post Bro. Ray,

Now let's consider the meaning of the next vs.

8  Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.

In this it is also said "I the Lord have created it."

What are your thoughts?

Bro. Dallas Eaton

 

I lean toward an agreement with you on this, especially in the last part which I will quote below:

I understand Is. 45.8 to be speaking of Christ, the dropping down of heaven speaking of his humiliation and manifestation in the flesh, which speaks along with the resurrection of the opening and bringing forth of Righteousness.

I Cor. 15.22

God Bless.
Bro. Dallas Eaton