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Is Calvinism "mainly" a Sotierology System Of Theology?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JesusFan, Dec 5, 2011.

  1. preachinjesus

    preachinjesus Well-Known Member
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    I am not very familiar with DTS' faculty so you're gonna have to list em for me.
     
  2. JesusFan

    JesusFan Well-Known Member

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    Founders:
    Lewis Sperry Chafer
    William henry Grifith Thomas
    Some famous professors there
    Dr. John F. Walvoord
    Dr. Donald K. Campbell
    Dr. Chuck Swindoll
    Faculty (past and present)
    Darrell Bock, Research Professor of New Testament
    John D. Hannah, Scholar of Reformation Theology
    Howard Hendricks
    Zane C. Hodges
    Harold Hoehner, Distinguished Professor of New Testament Studies
    Eugene Merrill, Distinguished Professor of Old Testament Studies
    J. Dwight Pentecost
    Charles Caldwell Ryrie
    Merrill Unger, Professor of Old Testament Studies
    Daniel B. Wallace, Prolific Textual critic and Greek grammarian
    Bruce Waltke, Professor of Old Testament Studies
    John F. Walvoord
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Are ALL of them considered NOT to hold to Cal views regarding salvation model?
     
  3. joshuakent

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    Calvinism takes what the Gospel teaches and shreds it to a certain elect. God in no way saves some and not others. Scriptures plainly speak that God sent his son to die for the sins of all men, which is available to all men if they exercise faith in Him by being convicted by the Holy Spirit making their eyes and ears open to the Gospel message.
     
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    So, you advocate universalism?
     
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    "when the Lord says "Whosoever," I cannot get out of that circle. It is a big net that seems to entangle all men in its meshes. "Whosoever." If I call upon the name of the Lord, if you call upon the name of the Lord, if the man who lies upstairs a-dying calls upon the name of the Lord, we shall be saved. What a wide word that "whosoever" is!" —Charles Spurgeon
     
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    What if that means "whosoever" can believe are among the elect? Can you negate the argument?
     
  7. JesusFan

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    What does the Bible teach on election?

    was isreal elected by God due to their moral/physical/menatl superorities?

    Did God save unto Himself a faithful remnant in Elijah time, or during the time of Christ due to their smarts?

    Does God base Election upon Himself, or unto ourselves?

    Jesus died to make an atonemnt for His people, all those whom the ftaher would give unto Him...

    Please define if the Bible stating ALL always means ALL in the sense of everyone!
     
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    Where are you getting your info from? I know some of these guys and would never consider them Calvinists.
     
  9. Ruiz

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    Good topic, but this is not the topic of this thread. Begin another thread and begin it there.
     
  10. JesusFan

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    Wouldn't many of them be considered "4 pointers" as it pertains to the DoG for salvation?
     
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    You can't be a "4 pointer" and be a Calvinist.

    Great gravy man...where do you come up with this stuff? :)
     
  12. JesusFan

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    a true 4-pointer is a legitimate [Low] Calvinist if he holds to sovereign election.
    blog.founders.org/2006/09/lifeway

    In the United States, essential Amyraldism may be found among various evangelical groups, perhaps most notably among dispensationalists in independent Bible churches and independant Baptist churches
    Named after its formulator Moise Amyraut, this doctrine is still viewed as a variety of Calvinism in that it maintains the particularity of sovereign grace in the application of the atonement. However, detractors like B. B. Warfield have termed it “an inconsistent and therefore unstable form of Calvinism.”[3]
    www.theopedia.com/Amyraldism
    would say that 4 pointers are indeed seen as being cals, its just that the 5 pointers tend to see us as be "inferior brand"

    We tend to prominent in those churches holding to baptist forms of theology, especially in IBF churches....
     
  13. Jerome

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    From Kenneth H. Good's Are Baptists Calvinists? [Regular Baptist Heritage Fellowship, 1975]

    How GARBC pastors identified themselves in a 1974 survey:

    1 Hyper-Calvinist
    174 Five-Point Calvinist
    43 Four-to-Five Point Calvinist
    430 Four-Point Calvinist
    27 Calvinistic
    5 Sovereignity of God
    20 Biblicist
    1 Arminian
    108 Other
     
  14. JesusFan

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    You just proved my point!

    Calvinists can be reformed in their theology, but especially in baptist circles, need not be!

    can hold to reformed in Sotierology baptist in eschatology!
     
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    From Southern Baptist Founder (the first Secretary of the Foreign Mission Board of the SBC) Rev. James B. Taylor's book Virginia Baptist Ministers, published in the 1850s:

    His Northern Baptist contemporary, Edward Hiscox, also identified mid-nineteenth century American Baptists as being

    SBC Founder Jeremiah Bell Jeter:

     
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    Better yet, prove whosoever is of the elect given the qualifier of God so loved the world...
     
  17. Earth Wind and Fire

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    JF, my Brother......your dealing with Systematic Theology where all the appendages of the body of the Doctrines of Grace must come together to allow the body to move, but you are operating without one or more appendage & saying it will work. Rather than defending the position you hold as a 4 Pointer, Id prefer you to just dialog on where you disagree so we can help you to gain understanding & hopefully give you better perception as to why all 5 positions must work together.
     
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    This shows how confused most calvinists are.
     
  19. Ruiz

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    Again, most of this 4 point calvinist and 5 point calvinist talk is a modern idea. In a minimalistic world, some embrace such doctrines. However, Calvinism/Reformed theology is a historic distinction, thus should be defined historically. We are also confessional, thus to reject our confessions is to reject our beliefs.
     
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    I hear what your saying DD & The Confessions have also served as a framework for defining what we believe ..... like our world view is perhaps best encapsulated in the Westminster Shorter Catechism " Mans chief end is to glorify God, and to enjoy Him forever." Aint dat da BOMB. :godisgood:
     
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