Is Eating Pork Wrong?

BobRyan said -

Then in Lev 11 God makes some kind of statement about "what is food".

You have to admit that the devotion we see to pork on THIS thread is also expressed in some parts of Asia and the Far East for the rats, cats, dogs and bats!

I am sure "they too" would not want to be right - eh?

The question is - do they try it with BBQ sauce?

I am not sure that they HAVE Skunk in the Far East - but I know people in the U.S eat it.

Given a choice between your dog, your horse and a skunk - which would you take? Vegetarianism?

God seems to have an opinion on that in Lev 11.

 

Vegetarianism

I really didn't know anyone eat it, I was just joking. lol

 

This whole thread is a joke. Laugh and enjoy it. Stand up comedy has gone drastically downhill.....we need an off switch!

Cheers,

Jim

 

I almost thought you completely over looked the entire point of my post but I see you didn't. There are lots of people who won't eat pork but shrimp, well that's different.

I realize Paul is mostly addressing idol sacrifice but in his explination he explains using words like all. Not everyone he was addressing were Jews so he was not specifically addressing pork, rats etc... That is why I take all to be literally all. Greeks, Romans had their own dietary restrictions so his statement went across the board.

I tried vegetarianism... It was for the rabbit so I ate the rabbit :love2:
I figured he was what he ate??? Does that count as vegetarianism?

My Grandparents from Louisianna ate skunks or about anything you could find. Usually made stew out of things like that, turtle, posom etc...

 

Yes, thats what I been looking for LeBuick; Thanks, Cows eat grass now don't they?

 

I don't know of any case where Paul explicitly addresses the issue of eating mice and snakes, rats, dogs etc.

The closest we see anyone come to it is Peter in Acts 10. Peter affirms post cross that he "has never literally eaten" mice, snakes, dogs, cats etc.

Notice that Peter knew instantly that this vision about eating snakes, rats insects etc was not literal - and so he was trying to get to the real meaning --

12 and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air.
13 A voice came to him, ""Get up, Peter, kill and eat!''
14 But Peter said, ""By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.''
15 Again a voice came to him a second time, "" What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.''
16 This happened three times, and immediately the object was taken up into the sky.
17 Now while Peter was greatly perplexed in mind as to what the vision which he had seen might be, behold, the men who had been sent by Cornelius, having asked directions for Simon's house, appeared at the gate;

As far as I know this is the only reference to the "mice eating" abomination that we see in Isaiah 66 being used in a "positive" way in the NT.

In 1 Cor 8 and 10 we see the issue of "vegetarian" vs "meat eating" specifically related to "meat offerred to idols".

Now we know that the "backgroun" information to this is two fold.

#1. We have the Lev 11 command about "What IS FOOD" and what is not food AT ALL.

#2. We have the Acts 15 command against eating meat offerred to idols.

Do you think Paul is tossing out all of God's Word for the church members at Corinth?

In Christ,

Bob

 

If the division of meats are the same as the "division of plants", how come "unclean plants" are not listed in the Law, and man never said to be defiled from eating them? Man was basically allowed to find out by trial and error which plants were not good for food, without God making a Law of "clean and unclean" about it. Or was there a Law that was just never included in scripture (i.e. "oral tradition" like the Jews).
It seems there is a more symbolic meaning behind the meats (since animals represent good or bad bahavior in humans. Skunk, pig, rats, cats and dogs, etc. al carry negative conotations while sheep, deer and cattle are peaceful and tame. Inanimate plants have no such connotations).

 

Lighten up Jim it will help remove the frown line in your brow. A little comedy instead of a lot of name calling is far more Christian.

 

I noticed I did state previously that Christ, our Saviour, priesthood is from the order of Melchisedec. I stated that specifically for a reason. This was a time before the Levitical law existed. The Levitical law was a law of obedience or a law of "carnal commandment" yet man took it as laws of absolutes there by loosing the true intent of the law.

Example, Jesus healed the lame man on the sabbath then told him to take up his bed and walk. The Jews saw him and said, "It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed." The mans response was, "He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk." Are we saying Jesus told him to sin? I would think not. Always remember his teaching, the laws were made for man, and not man for the laws:

So our savior is not of the Aaron priesthood. Show me the definition of clean and unclean animals prior to the Levitical law? Gen 1:25 says that all animals were created good. So unclean must have come from the fall of man. Do you agree?

I know God told Noah to take 2 unclean and 7 clean animals but show me prior to the levitical law, where God defined clean from unclean animals (other than the serpant)? How did Noah know which was which when he went on the ark? How do we know the list was the same as the Levitical definitions?

Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

 

Correct, I was referring to Jews who turned Christian who still had those beliefs in their systems. I believe if they were having rat, Paul would have brought the tereyki sauce (no racial pun intended)...

 

It is nice to smile for a change. I was thinking of inviting BobRayan to my next BBQ and show him what sinfully delicious food pork makes.... :thumbs:

 

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Originally Posted by BobRyan
I don't know of any case where Paul explicitly addresses the issue of eating mice and snakes, rats, dogs etc.

Actually - as Eph 6 and Romans 7 and James 2 and ... shows the NT authors RELIED upon the OT text as "The Word of God" instead of simply dumping it in the trash can.

That means - when God says He will "in the future at the end of time" judge all mankind and will at that future time pour out fire and brimstone on the wicked - even pointing out those who are "eating mice and detestable things" (Isaiah) it is HARD to imagine that Paul would ENCOURAGE them to face that future time of fire and brimstone by engaging in MORE of the acts that the Creator calls "detestable" in Isaiah 66.

In fact - Paul does no such thing. Even John is quick to argue FOR the "keeping of the Commandments of God" both in his Gospel of the pre-cross teaching of Christ AND in his post-cross texts.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Good thing we live in the modern world and we don't have to feed our dead to pigs.
I love bacon. Ummm

 

B B, I thought in KY where you and I live, in some areas skunk is "the other white meat"! Probably why I'm 'big' (both literally and figuratively) on beef and venison- red meat! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Ed

 

Tastes like chicken Ed;

 

Sorry to bring up a Bible point now - but...

Actually - as Eph 6 and Romans 7 and James 2 and ... shows the NT authors RELIED upon the OT text as "The Word of God" instead of simply dumping it in the trash can.

That means - when God says He will "in the future at the end of time" judge all mankind and will at that future time pour out fire and brimstone on the wicked - even pointing out those who are "eating mice and detestable things" (Isaiah) it is HARD to imagine that Paul would ENCOURAGE them to face that future time of fire and brimstone by engaging in MORE of the acts that the Creator calls "detestable" in Isaiah 66.

In fact - Paul does no such thing. Even John is quick to argue FOR the "keeping of the Commandments of God" both in his Gospel of the pre-cross teaching of Christ AND in his post-cross texts.

In Christ,

Bob

 

What about "squirrel"? It is considered a rodent and many people were raised on squirrel in the mountains of Kentucky and West Virginia and other States. I don't care for it anymore but when growing up it was one of our meat souces. I never eat possum or ground hog but many people I know did. Squirrels eat nuts and buds from trees and are a very clean animal as far as I know. Are they a sin to eat also?

 

Let each one do what is right in his own eyes. If he likes rats - then fine.

But should we help him ignore Isaiah 66 while he does it?


16 For [b]the LORD will execute judgment by fire And by His sword on all flesh[/b], And those slain by the LORD will be many.
17 ""Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go to the gardens, Following one in the center, Who eat swine's flesh, detestable things and mice[/b], will come to an end altogether,'' declares the LORD.
18 ""For I know their works and their thoughts; the time is coming to gather all nations and tongues. And they shall come and see My glory.

Certainly if we are uncomfortable with this part of God's Word - there is really no sense in sharing it with others - right?

 

Not if you have some horse radish and applesauce to garnish.

When a small boy, I watched my G'Pa kill chickens and give all the leftovers, (guts head etc) to the pigs, and they loved it.

 

No wonder everything tastes like chicken. We don't have a chance.:laugh: :thumbs: