Is God a God of Double Standards?

Donna, get off the BB right now, and go beat your grown children. Hurry, before they take some ritalin--or morphine!

:BangHead: :laugh:

 

Not all situations call for children to be removed from their parents. Sometimes it'best for their well being to remain with not so good parents. By labeling it child abuse, CPS MUST act within certain guidelines. Breaking up families is VERY traumatic. It's easy to type on a message board a blanket statement but each situation is different. Reasons why parents do this are different, and it depends upon the medical condition, their intent, etc...

 

I guess abuse isn't traumatic or physically dangerous. I've seen way too much of it to beleive that.

 

Diabetes is a joke.
Heart disease is a joke.
Epilepsy is a joke.

SFIC's "informed opinions" are a joke.

see the pattern?

 

Oh, I wondered what "threat" Sue was referring to earlier. Didn't pick up on this, I must need some Ritalin thanks

 

OK, take 5...it keeps getting ignored:

My aunt, who is terminal with stage 4 metasticized bone cancer, is in exruciating pain 24/7. So....is she sinning by taking pain medication?

 

Crystal Clear...

 

Since you asked Donna about her children, what about yours?

You always get into these discipline threads promoting child abuse, yet keep quiet about your story regarding children.

To be fair, please share

 

CPS calls "abuse" many things in which I do not agree with. Temporary living conditions better than I had in high school are used to break up families for some months. Young kids crying their eyes out for no good reason. Sad.
Twice I moved in a Mother with their child without telling CPS. Gotta do what is best sometimes, not what they tell you to do. When the CPS worker says the family is loving and will be reunified, and the kids behavior reflects this, I say move Mom in (Both to be watched 24/7) The worker always finds out but usually ignores it because they are happy it happened. If they were not, boy would I hear about it!

 

So you are a doctor, well I didn't know that.
Heres what your telling people to do to their children, these people didn't spare the rod either. Why not beat a sick child.

http://didyouknow.magnify.net/item/WZ6DJQ1H4JYLHNMG
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/...child-beaten-to-death-for-not-learning-quran/
http://www.wyff4.com/news/16338387/detail.html
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE5DC1731F933A25750C0A964958260

 

No there Joe. Here they remove kids with real abuse. How can beating a child black and blue or bloody be alright? How can decising the doctors are stupid and the disease their child has does not exist so don't give them needed medications. We can not over look real abuse. Unless of course we are willing to write off children.
it seems so.

 

rbell...

Your verdict against me and SFIC is in...there is no need to keep asking.

As far as your aunt sinning, no she's not. My father passed away 10 years ago from Multiple Myloma (bone marrow cancer). He was on very heavy doses of pain killers. I don't believe he was sinning.

Believe it or not, SFIC and I are not anti-medications, as so many on this board have accused us of...however, ADD/ADHD, IMO, have not been "objectively" proven to be a disease by "objective" testing and diagnosis. Then to give a child Ritalin (or some other similar drug) to control an "unproven" behavioral "disease" is the biggest scam that the pharmaceutical companies has foisted on the American public....this was why I refused to administer this medication to my children...all this does is "drug" our children and make the pharmaceutical companies rich. I changed their diet and they turned out just fine. Whatever happened to good old fashioned "discipline" according to the Bible? What did parents do before the "advent" of Ritalin and other drugs which alter the behavior of our children?

 

Yes. I assume you were a decent father and continued a relationship with him as best you could?
How do you end up with so many rebellious kids with such extreme behavior that you need to spank them?
It's just weird to me that we can do foster care and not have as severe of a problem with our kids as you apparently have with your own family members

 

No, we are not to overlook real abuse. There is no excuse for beating a child black and blue, they do not return to their parents. They are harder for me to deal with because each time I display up and down behavior, they cringe. Must stay very calm, and level headed around them. I don't do well with them so we don't take them. Only in emergencies... They also hide food alot of the time, or maybe that just happened with our kids. which is fine but there is never enough food for them it seems. We take the sexually abused kids, which is odd to me because they are the kids less desired. Most are pretty funny, easy to relate to. If we get recertified, then we will go back to taking kids, not just babysitting. It's in the works now, need a few more classes.

 

Finally, a substantive post.

We can agree that ritalin, adderal, et al is overprescribed. No doubt about it. What we disagree on is that there are some--not millions, but some--who do as my doctor friend suggested (I've posted this at least twice):

• Limit the sugar and caffeine intake;
• Get adequate rest--preferably, on a regular schedule;
• Limit the hours of media exposure: TV, internet, video games, etc.;
• Multi-vitamin, and better nutrition;
• Adequate outdoor exercise (some studies suggest a link between ADD/ADHD and a vitamin-D deficiency; but those are early studies);
• Consistent standards (discipline) enforced in the home. (Key word: consistent. That's where many parents fail).

Those things, mind you, should be done before any pharmaceutical avenues are explored. Now...after all that...there are a few kids who still have real difficulties. I'm not talking "inconveniences," but serious difficulties. You can deny it all you want, or blame the parents, but there are some out there who fit this description. For them, medical intervention is helpful.

And, mind you, Ritalin is the best-known of the ADD meds...but it is not the only one. There are many others: some are much more suspect, IMO; others tend to have less side effects.

I have never on this board advocated the wanton use of psychotropic medications; however, I also do not question the faith of those who go that route. I've not walked a mile in their shoes, and though it would be easy for me to condemn them, it would not be right.

 

But your husband said,

Which includes the morphine you got for your headache, because it is a mind altering drug.

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Perhaps you should consult your husband before posting, because he said

If the answer to all life's problems in in the word, and we should not turn to medications, then it is wrong for either of you to use medications. But you have different standards you live by then you expect others to live by.

 

They left
Truth hurts
Goodnight

 

I notified the mods of this forum yesterday (about this thread) and they may have gone away for the week end.

In their absence, I am closing this thread because it is going nowhere and is full of name calling and threats.

If the mods want to reopen it upon their return, that is up to them.

Thanks,
§ue