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Is God talking to me and you?

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  1. ituttut

    ituttut New Member

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    Fool me once, then shame on that one; Fool me twice, then shame on me. We learn to spot them, or the message, or the sign.

    I notice you show the sign of the “fish”, the sign of the pagan Dagon -I Samuel 5:3-5, and the Pope wears the “fish-hat”. This was long before Jonah. It is just like Madonna and child. They found in antiquity thousands of years before the birth of Jesus, a “Madonna and child”. This too comes from idol worshippers. We get all things of this nature from one place. All the “Protester’s”, the main line churches, brought a lot of useless baggage and idols with them when they left the “mother” church. But not all bought into it, for a while. Up at least until the close of the 1900’s , the Methodists, Baptists, and Presbyterians did not accept Christmas as a Holy Day. Haven’t even these churches now “fallen away” from grace to be joined with the Episcopalian, Catholic churches, and even almost the whole world?

    The Prince of this world still works his magic. From out of the Catholic church came Christmas and Easter. We have made Holy Days to us, and for our worship. Paul says he is afraid of those who hold on to such. Galatians 4:11. And this was even before anybody thought of Easter or Christmas. I understand the “mass” is for the dead. This seems to say Christmas should be a time to celebrate His death, and not His birth. Of course we know He was not a December baby. But who cares. He will just love us to death, even if we don’t know when His birthday is. He didn’t mean for us to know, as that is impossible. God the Word has no beginning, and He has no ending. Besides the only two love commandments He gives us, He only requests that we remember Him as often as we drink the cup, and eat the bread.

    Am I picking on you? I don’t believe so, as I do not believe you knew the above, and I believe you are one that love’s the Word. Please understand, I am not saying you worship idol’s, the thing God hates the most, but when we are associated with them, this gives the impression of acceptance, and our misrepresentation then rubs off onto someone else, and that person could come to worship the “thing”, perhaps only as a good luck charm. Being saved however, this will not affect that, but what will our answer be to Him when we stand before Him at our rewards judgment, associating Him with idols?

    Christian fath, ituttut
     
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  2. ituttut

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  3. Molly

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    Menagerie Keeper,

    All I am certain is that we have the true Word of God that we all believe is God's actual Word to us. In it is everything we need...if we have a question about what to do in life,we can go to His Word for answers...we can trust it,it is sure and true.

    On the other hand,our own perceptions,feelings,emotions,can make us *think* it is God leading us,but we really can not say for sure that God was telling us to do something. We may can look back and see God's providence and His hand in certain situations...I can do that all the time....but at the time it is unverifiable(we can not prove it)so,I just trust on God's will for my life being what is in scripture. If it is an issue not covered in scripture,I believe we can go to the Lord in prayer and have the liberty to make that decision.

    I did appreciate your story and probably looking back you can see God's great providence in your life...His protection and love for you......for that,I am grateful. It is always great to see how God brings about His will in our lives. Sometimes we go through unpleasant cicumstances to get there,but we do trust in His headship over us.

    In Christ,

    Molly
     
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  4. ituttut

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    menageriekeeper, some of us have been there. It fills our whole being. At about the age of 5, I first felt the Spirit communicating with me. This was before I walked the aisle at 9 years of age, accepting Jesus Christ as my savior. I can remember running out of the house with a couple of kids onto our porch. I don't remember what the previous conversation was, but I know just as I said, "You believe there is a God?", which I said in unbelief, my whole being INSIDE was shaken, and I immediately became aware that there was a God. I was scared stiff.

    Was I spoken to, or is it the God consciousness in all of us. I personally believe it was the latter. I was not presented the Word from God at that time, but became aware that He was there. I believe He always leaves the presentation either first by the spoken Word, or His written Word. If written to begin to understand, I believe someone will speak to us on what the Word says, and we upon receiving in our heart that by believing upon His name for our salvation, we can then begin a two-way conversation, in the spirit.

    Christian faith, ituttut
     
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  5. fcs25

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    Claiming that God talks to you is a very iffy proposition.Every Christian denomination has members that claim God speaks to them.If this is so why are their 20000+ protestant denominations in existence today;and explain why most of them directly contradict each other in beliefs and doctrines,also explain how you or they would know it's not just your imagination?A prime example Baptist vs.Church of Christ doctrines.Which is correct?How do you know?They claim God talks to them also....are you calling them a liar?The point being God talks to us through his written word....not be voices in our minds.The mental hospitals are full of nuts claiming the same thing.
     
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  6. Molly

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    Exactly! [​IMG]
     
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  7. HankD

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    Hearing voices is quite a bit different than the leading of the Holy Spirit.

    I do hope you know that.

    HankD
     
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    The same can be said for intepreting the Bible! How many varieties of denominations have been founded on the desire to perfectly follow the Bible?

    The same can be said for using our best reasoning and wisdom!

    I still say, it takes everything we can possibly get, whatever direction God may or may not give us directly, what we read in His word, what we reason out, what others share with us, and we can still make mistakes, but in this world this side of the enemy lines where every message from God by whatever means is like communication smuggled behind enemy lines from headquarters, we are forced to make do with what we have.

    Praise God He is able to make it sufficient for His kingdom and our needs.
     
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  9. menageriekeeper

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    Now, now fcs25, I didn't claim that God talks to me in the way that He spoke to Elijah or Samuel or the prophets of the past.

    What I said was that at one very important point in my life He gave me a direct command that applied to ME only. It was up to me to obey or not. It was also up to me to compare this communication with His written Word. Had it gone against what is Written then I would have known that it didn't come from Him.

    If however I was going around telling people that God was speaking to me on a daily basis and giving me a new revelation then you would be correct in calling me crazy(or a heretic).

    Like I said in an earlier post, I don't believe that God is doing any direct 'communicating' that is meant for general knowlege to all Christians.

    What I do believe is that God communicates His will to us as individuals. He does this in different ways, His word is the main way. It is the basis for our entire faith. But that doesn't preclude the leading of the Holy Spirit, communication through angels, or a direct spoken word if that is what He wishes to do. I know of nowhere in the Bible where he has told us that we will no longer have any other guidance than what is written in the Bible. If you know of such a scripture I'd like to hear it. Otherwise, for you to say God never speaks to His children is to limit His power and also contradict the following scripture:

    "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come." John 16:13

    So if the Holy Spirit was not meant to communicate to us then why did God send Him to us?
     
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  10. Kathy

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    Point taken ... however, when I use signs and symbols, they are to glorify God ... we can have this same conversation about Christmas trees ... If we can take something pagan and make it Christian, why not? I don't think ANYONE (especially those of us numbering in the millions) who have that very fish symbol on our cars are worshipping idols ... we are proclaiming Christ our Savior who is a "FISHER" of men ...

    Please explain your "fool me once ..." statements at the beginning of your post, I'm lost here ...

    Kathy
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    This is a very interesting thread.

    A few years ago, either I read or heard a preacher say that we must be careful when we say "God told me" or the "Holy Spirit told me". The impression I got was that this person thought many times this is from the devil.

    Is there a specific verse in the Bible that states this?
     
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  12. Marcia

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    I can't think of one that specifically states that, but 2 Cor 11.14 tells us that Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light.
     
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    Point taken ... however, when I use signs and symbols, they are to glorify God ... we can have this same conversation about Christmas trees ... If we can take something pagan and make it Christian, why not? I don't think ANYONE (especially those of us numbering in the millions) who have that very fish symbol on our cars are worshipping idols ... we are proclaiming Christ our Savior who is a "FISHER" of men ...

    Please explain your "fool me once ..." statements at the beginning of your post, I'm lost here ...

    Kathy
    &lt;&gt;&lt;     </font>[/QUOTE]Are we not "tagged" by whom we associate with? I don’t imagine you associate with drug dealers. An Olympic woman sprinter that won Gold medals in the last Olympics just recently probably would have been taken off of the Olympic team, not that blood tests showed she took drugs, but they suspicioned that she had. Her husband took drugs, and she ran with the drug crowd. It made no difference however as she failed to qualify for this years Olympics.

    You say you are doing two things I’ll bet you tell your kids not to do...Just because everybody is doing it doesn’t make it right, and you probably tell them to not associate with certain one's.

    We are all to work out our own salvation. I cannot judge, but I will be judged by His Word, however we as a Christians will have a judgment of rewards, and not of our salvation. Exodus 20:4, ”Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth”. Paul says in II Corinthians, we are to walk by faith, and not by sight. His Word will "catch" us, not symbols.

    Christian faith, ituttut
     
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    How about our money which is plastered with images from "the heaven above" and "the earth beneath" including the Eye of Isis (a false god) above the Great Pyramid of Egypt which has a superscription "IN GOD WE TRUST".

    Have any of these in your wallet?

    HankD
     
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    How about our money which is plastered with images from "the heaven above" and "the earth beneath" including the Eye of Isis (a false god) above the Great Pyramid of Egypt which has a superscription "IN GOD WE TRUST".

    Have any of these in your wallet?

    HankD     </font>[/QUOTE]Very good point HankD. Jesus said to render unto Caesar, and Paul said money is the root of all evil. And money can become our God, just as any thing made by the hands of man, or what we can imagine or see.

    But we need and carry money or have access to it out of necessity, not of our faith in it to show forth our faith as Christians. We don’t carry it to show that we are Christian’s, and that is what donnA seems to convey to us, that since she covets this sign of the fish that pagans in antiquity worshipped, she has looked back for a symbol that existed before Jesus the man did. Our intent my be pure, but what we desire and hold may have come from the unholy - those that worshiped other Gods’.

    I make this association, but most others do not. We are to work out our own salvation. DonnA is evidently comfortable in her salvation, and I in mine. As life has gone along, I have found some beliefs I held not to be true. When the truth is understood, I then change to it.

    When I stand before Him, I may not be as comfortable when He judges me for rewards. If He should ask if I associated Him with idols, I believe I can honestly tell Him – “No!”.
     
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    Yes and Jesus caught the pharisees red-handed when He asked them for a “penny” and then He asked who’s image and superscription is on it. The Pharisees forbid images to be put on the Hebrew Shekel (until after the sack of Jerusalem in 70AD) in order to keep the commandments. Somehow it became alright to have idolatrous gentile money after the Roman occupation.

    Personally I’m not under the Law and the Spirit of God has never led me to find a way to live without the images involved with gentile money.

    How about the Hebrews who needed to eat kosher food but and wouldn’t eat the King’s pork (or whatever) Shadrach, Meshack and Abednego?

    HankD
     
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    :confused: :confused: </font>[/QUOTE]Amen!
     
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  19. HankD

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    Its a Scripture verse lifted out of context (which most of us do):

    Philippians 2:12-13
    Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
    For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

    HankD
     
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