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Is God talking to me and you?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by ituttut, Jul 6, 2004.

  1. Johnv

    Johnv New Member

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    That's not correct. Scripture tells us that LOVE of money is a root of evil (not the only root of evil). Money in and of itself is not evil, and is not a root of evil. Loving money (in layman's terms, putting money first instead of putting God first) leads to evil.

    A person's priority in life should be as follows:

    God
    People (family & friends)
    Money
    Possessions
     
  2. ituttut

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  3. ituttut

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    That's not correct. Scripture tells us that LOVE of money is a root of evil (not the only root of evil). Money in and of itself is not evil, and is not a root of evil. Loving money (in layman's terms, putting money first instead of putting God first) leads to evil.

    A person's priority in life should be as follows:

    God
    People (family & friends)
    Money
    Possessions
    </font>[/QUOTE]Good eye Johnv. You see I point this out to HankD in my follow-up post to him.

    Christian faith, ituttut
     
  4. Thankful

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    Thank you, HankD, for explaining the quote out of context to me. My husband told me that ituttut was quoting scripture. I don't understand when I questioned it why he didn't explain it, but I am capable of looking up scriptures, but I did not think that he was quoting scripture.

    Here is what my study Bible says about this quote

    "work out your own salvation"

    We are not saved by works but we are to live out the salvation God has given us by living in a growing relatinship with God and in harmony with His people.



    There is enough confusion about salavation without implying that it is by works.

    Thank you again, HankD
     
  5. ituttut

    ituttut New Member

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    But this is scripture Thankful. Bully for your husband for he recognized it as scripture, in its right context. I would listen to him more often. I don’t understand your statement that it is not scripture. Paul said it so it is scripture. I really don’t understand why you and HankD would think I believe in works. I believe the same as both of you if you believe the gospel of Paul. Are you and HankD saying if I had quoted the whole chapter, then this verse wouldn’t have been taken out of context? I thought every one understood this verse. HankD says there are many, and perhaps there are, but I don’t even believe James a man of works would try to use this verse of Paul for the purposes you and HankD try to hang around my neck.

    I regret that you and HankD can’t see that you have taken this scripture out of the context in which I placed it. I had it placed in salvation, and you two have yanked it out to stand by itself. One verse by itself many times can prove nothing, so that is why I put into the proper setting, viz., in salvation.

    Did you read my full quote? ” I make this association, but most others do not. We are to work out our own salvation. DONNA IS EVIDENTLY COMFORTABLE IN HER SALVATION, AND I IN MINE. AS LIFE HAS GONE ALONG, I HAVE FOUND SOME BELIEFS I HOLD NOT TO BE TRUE. WHEN THE TRUTH IS UNDERSTOOD, I THEN CHANGE TO IT.” DonnA is as saved as I, but I have found a truth that she has not yet been able to see, and she may never. But she will work out her own salvation, and not me. It is between she and Christ Jesus. She’ll work it out to her satisfaction. Doesn’t this show I am not talking about salvation comes by works. I’m talking about rewards as shown in the next paragraph.

    It reads as follows: []I]”When I stand before Him, I may not be as comfortable when He judges me for rewards. If He should ask if I associated Him with idols, I believe I can honestly tell Him – “No!”[/i] This is because I worked out my own salvation to my satisfaction in Him.

    Thanks for giving me this opportunity to put this in a little more detail. Many times, especially on boards such as this, we know what we are thinking, and believe others should easily be able to follow. I’m happy to see you and HankD standing. Some are still crawling around.

    Christian faith, ituttut Gal1:12
     
  6. Thankful

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    I didn't say it wasn't scripture! I didn't understand that you were quoting scripture.

    I appreciate your explanation, although I do not totally agree.
     
  7. HankD

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    Go back and reread my post(s) ituttut, I was defending your Scripture quote and showing another individual that it SEEMED you were implying works because you didn't finish the verse which the other individual acknowledged.

    HankD
     
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  9. HankD

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    ????

    HankD
     
  10. ituttut

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    A nod of the head that I understand, but no further comment.

    Christian faith, ituttut
     
  11. ituttut

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    Go back and reread my post(s) ituttut, I was defending your Scripture quote and showing another individual that it SEEMED you were implying works because you didn't finish the verse which the other individual acknowledged.

    HankD
    </font>[/QUOTE]I really thought I was addressing the saved that would understand the meaning of the verse. I still believe I was addressing the saved, but they really missed my meaning. This could be my fault of not being able to better express my thinking.

    The trailing that follows the verse has a purpose. It is to explain to unbelievers, or those that believe “works” is essential to salvation. Why would I include this unnecessary information, as the one addressed is surely saved, being a Christian in a Baptist church, and understands she was saved without works? Perhaps Kathy with her understanding is still pondering the post, but she is not questioning this verse as far as I know. She evidently understands it in the context given.

    I addressed what I saw written by your and Thankful’s. What I saw was being seen (without cause) as one that believes works are essential. I will agree that once saved, we do not have to do anything if we do not wish, as we are saved, but no rewards will be given. Who would want this? I fear some do desire this as in their freedom and liberty that is found in Christ, the belief is “all work” has been thrown out the window.

    You implied above with your Quote “showing another individual that it SEEMED you were implying works” Unquote. Thankful then responded I was implying works was necessary for salvation.

    I’ll not argue this very confusing conversation, between the three of us, other than to say Thankful’s post came first and I answered thinking she was agreeing, and she address no one in particular that I can see. Next came yours, after I had already posted a reply to her. You then answered Thankful saying I lifted out of context, so I then addressed your erroneous understanding of my post.

    These are the facts, and if you agreed with me, then why did you not tell me so. You told thankful I had no idea what I was talking about, so I just thought that you did not comprehend my original post making reference to the verse, as works are automatic with the saved, as we are born to them.

    You and Thankful seem to believe “works within salivation” is a NO-NO. It just ain’t so. That is if we believe Paul – I Corinthians 3:13 ” Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.” If anyone believes this is taken out of context all that is needed is to just keep on reading His Word to see that my remarks addressed to HankD and Thankful appropriately applies the verse for the purpose it was included for interpretation with the help of the Holy Spirit.

    Any further argument should be taken up with Paul, and not me. Peter tells us Paul is very hard to be understood, and it is imperative that we do so.

    Christian faith, ituttut
     
  12. HankD

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    Thanks for the clarification ituttut. My only real criticism was the way we ALL often times lift a verse out of context for expediency sake and I am no exception. And yes, sometimes it is difficult to know where to stop and start.

    I agree with you concerning good works. They are indeed a part of salvation in their proper order and perspective

    Speaking of Scripture lifted out of context, here is a well know passage:
    Ephesians 2:8-9.
    However we (myself included) invariably leave of verse 10 which clearly shows that perspective.

    Ephesians 2:8-10.
    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
    10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

    HankD
     
  13. ituttut

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    Amen!
     
  14. rufus

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    Yes, He is talking to us today!

    He is talking to us through His Word! His Spirit illumines us to discern His will in His Word!
     
  15. ituttut

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