1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Is Having Belly Button Pierced Worldly?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by AF Guy N Paradise, Jul 21, 2009.

  1. AF Guy N Paradise

    AF Guy N Paradise Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2002
    Messages:
    1,081
    Likes Received:
    1
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Well, I am once again battling my wife and daughter. It always seems as if I am just a mean ole bully preaching to my family on what is wrong and what is right; what is worldly and what is acceptable.

    My daughter turns 15 soon and is begging to get her belly button pierced. To me red flags automatically come up and I just see this as being way too unacceptable for a Christian. My wife sees no problem with it either.

    They insist that nobody else will ever see it and that it is just something she wants real bad. It is not a fashion statement or mocking anything or anyone from Hollywood.

    Then they always throw out that the things I like are just as wordly such as sports, going to games, etc... And I guess it is hard to argue that fact when sports always has sex, alcohol, cursing involved.

    Anyway, from a Biblical standpoint what is right in this situation?

    And the verses with worldy in it keep in mind that you can nearly throw everything into the equation.

    Thanks.
     
    #1 AF Guy N Paradise, Jul 21, 2009
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 21, 2009
  2. Harold Garvey

    Harold Garvey New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2009
    Messages:
    1,036
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yeah, I want a tattoo where "no one will ever see it but me"

    I dont need Bible to refute a poor excuse, just plain common sense will do it.

    God Bless and hope you get it across to them.
     
  3. Martin

    Martin Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2005
    Messages:
    5,228
    Likes Received:
    0
    ==I'm sorry to sound so harsh, but I don't buy that argument for a split second. If nobody is going to see it why have it? Makes zero sense. Most people do not get their belly button pierced so nobody can see it. My guess would be some of her friends have their belly buttons pierced and she thinks it is neat and wants one of her own. If that is the case, you can be sure that she will make certain her friends see it. That is worldly, just as wordly as dressing in an ungodly manner because others are doing it.


    ==I don't know that the Bible directly addresses this issue. However belly button piercing is certainly not modest. It is a form of worldly dress. There is no way she can claim that she will be honoring God with a belly button ring.
     
    #3 Martin, Jul 21, 2009
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 21, 2009
  4. faithgirl46

    faithgirl46 Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2005
    Messages:
    2,780
    Likes Received:
    2
  5. rbell

    rbell Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2006
    Messages:
    11,103
    Likes Received:
    0
    dunno if a "sinful" tag will do it or not...I don't think it's an issue of "sinful."

    However...it very well can be an issue of "is it wise?"

    One example: Do 16 year-old boys make any assumptions about girls who have bellybutton rings?

    Just a thought...
     
  6. Andy T.

    Andy T. New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2005
    Messages:
    3,147
    Likes Received:
    0
    It's certainly a sin issue depending on her motivation to do it. If her motivation is like Martin guessed - that she wants one because her friends have them, then that is a form of covetousness or envy.

    I think that's the bottom line for the father here - try to find out her motivation for doing this, and then show her why such motivation is ungodly. If you just focus on the external act alone, people will always cry "legalism." But digging inside to the heart is what is most important with these issues.
     
  7. preachinjesus

    preachinjesus Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2004
    Messages:
    7,406
    Likes Received:
    99
    Don't 16 year old boys make assumptions about girls with feet?

    Its a modesty thing, its a personality thing. My generation and the rising generation are all into deeply personal forms of expression. So many are getting tatoos and piercings of a great variety as a form of personal expression and branding.

    If your daughter is turning 15 this will be the least of your worries in about 6 months.
     
  8. annsni

    annsni Administrator
    Administrator

    Joined:
    May 30, 2006
    Messages:
    20,641
    Likes Received:
    557
    Well, honestly to me, I think the reason kids get their navel pierced is because it's sexy. I don't really like the ramifications of that.

    I'd tell her that under no uncertain terms is she to have her belly button pierced before her 18th birthday. If she wishes at that time, it's her decision but she also needs to know the risks and ramifications of navel piercing. The healing time is 4 months to 1 year and the risk of infection and rejection is significantly more than just ears.

    If you're uncomfortable with it, say "No". Don't be pressured into it if you are feeling a hitch in your spirit.
     
  9. Amy.G

    Amy.G New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2006
    Messages:
    13,103
    Likes Received:
    0
    From a biblical standpoint, you are the head of the family and if you say no, then no it is.

    When she is of legal age, then she can do whatever she pleases.
     
  10. rbell

    rbell Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2006
    Messages:
    11,103
    Likes Received:
    0
    Hence my explanation about "wisdom."

    We are more in agreement than not.
     
  11. Thinkingstuff

    Thinkingstuff New Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2008
    Messages:
    8,169
    Likes Received:
    0
    I'm with rbell on this one. Maybe its just me but if I see a tattoo on an ankle or on the small of the back of a female. I have poor preconsieved notions of that person whether its fair or not. And I know when I was in the Military guys who believed that was an invite sign. Just saying.
     
  12. Tom Bryant

    Tom Bryant Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2006
    Messages:
    4,439
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think this is a good answer especiallly about the health issues. Our daughter, she's now 30, got a belly button ring when she was 18. She had all sorts of infections at the site. Eventually she had it removed. :godisgood:


    Question about your wife: Does your daughter know you 2 have different feelings about it? Not trying to side track it and not judging at all, but i hope the disagreement is between the 2 of you.
     
  13. AF Guy N Paradise

    AF Guy N Paradise Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2002
    Messages:
    1,081
    Likes Received:
    1
    Faith:
    Baptist
    [quote

    Question about your wife: Does your daughter know you 2 have different feelings about it? Not trying to side track it and not judging at all, but i hope the disagreement is between the 2 of you.[/quote]

    You nailed one of the main problems. My wife is very independent and head strong. She has lived on her own since she was 15.

    She doesn't agree with me here and on many other issues and both of my kids know this and I have a very hard time trying to be the one who is in charge and making the final decision.
     
  14. Aaron

    Aaron Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2000
    Messages:
    15,991
    Likes Received:
    280
    Faith:
    Baptist
    My house, my rules. Simple as that. I don't care if she's 25.

    Now, if I my daughter could convince me that an unpierced belly button was a stumblingblock to a weaker brother or sister.........
     
  15. menageriekeeper

    menageriekeeper Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2004
    Messages:
    7,152
    Likes Received:
    0
    Look sometimes you have to pick your battles. Are you SURE this is worth a household uproar?

    Yes, I agree this is just a fad. Life won't end if she doesn't get a piercing. Niether will it end if she does. What needs to be considered is how will her spiritual and physical life be affected with either decision? How will your life with your wife be affected if yo insist she not be peirced?

    I understand the worry about creeping liberalism, but sometimes a peircing is just a form of self expression rather than a symbol of worldly things. Not everything is about sin. Not everything is about rebellion. Some things are simply about independence. And one day she WILL be independent. If you push her to hard now, about issues that in the end come down to personal liberty, will you push her away from Christ? Believe me, I have seen my fair share of kids who were forced to follow "rules" for the sake of not appearing "worldly" to high tail away from the church and their parents just as soon as they were able. According to my parents I was one of those! Still am for that matter, cause I dare to disagree with their version of how a Christian life should be led.

    Your daughter is growing up. Within 3 years she will be able to make up her own mind about how she wants to live her life. Do you trust her do begin doing so? Cause that is what this question is really all about. Do you believe that you have taught her what she needs to know to make an informed decision about an issue that the Bible never speaks of? Cause if you haven't done so by now, you are fast loosing your chance.

    Lest you believe I haven't been there, I have a daughter who will soon turn 17 (in less than a week!). We have discussed this very issue, not long after certain individuals she was acquainted with had their belly buttons peirced. In the end, SHE decided that such things were tacky. That only girls of loose moral standing had such peircings and she was really grossed out when the MOTHER of one of my son's friends came in sporting one! :eek: I'm not about to take credit for her decision. My personal thought was that if she wanted one she could have it. But she would only have it once I was convinced that she had taken a good long look at the ramifications of her decision.

    I will say that I am quite pleased with her decision!
     
  16. rdwhite

    rdwhite New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2008
    Messages:
    434
    Likes Received:
    0
    I have a feeling the belly piercing is only a symptom of much deeper trouble in the home. I am especially concerned about the Jezebel spirit in the wife and daughter and the lack of spiritual headship and authority in the husband. Until those issues are corrected, there will not be peace in the home.:tonofbricks:
     
  17. preachinjesus

    preachinjesus Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2004
    Messages:
    7,406
    Likes Received:
    99
    Funny moment from the Bill Engval show...his daughter asked about a bellybutton piercing. She wanted to know how it was different than earings.

    Bill simply replied, "Because earings are on your head when boys look at them..."

    seemed to end the conversation.
     
  18. rbell

    rbell Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2006
    Messages:
    11,103
    Likes Received:
    0
    SOmetimes, humor makes the point better than logical statements.

    Good.
     
  19. SBCPreacher

    SBCPreacher Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    May 30, 2006
    Messages:
    2,764
    Likes Received:
    0
    Faith:
    Baptist
    ...which is exactly what we did in my home. She turned 18, got a brand new hole, took it out a few years later, end of story. She did enjoy showing it to our church secretary, who just about had a heart attack. She really didn't show it off to anyone else.
     
  20. Marcia

    Marcia Active Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2004
    Messages:
    11,139
    Likes Received:
    0
    I agree with Ann. Your daughter is too young to make a decision to have this done. She doesn't get all the ramifications of it nor the dangers. The navel area is a tender spot.

    My son wanted a tattoo when he was 16 (and needed my permission and accompaniment in VA). I said no, he had to wait until he was legally an adult, and he did (he got 2 very tiny ones).
     
    #20 Marcia, Jul 21, 2009
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 21, 2009
Loading...