Is Homosexuality Biological?

Martin, they already burned in lust toward one another before God turned them over to it. That is not judgment. That is God saying, 'You want to live in sin and reject me, go ahead. But there will be consequences'.

 

Then please explain to me how you think it is clear that birth defects are a direct result of sin. And then, square that with what Jesus said about the Blind man.

Joseph Botwinick

 

The only influence that causes homosexuality is found in Ephesians 6. principalities and powers, spiritual wickedness in high places. No birth defect, God did not plant the thoughts or fleshly lust in their heads.

Jesus said if a man looks at a woman to lust after her in his heart, he has already committed adultery. The same would apply to homosexuality. All it takes is lusting to be branded as such.

 

believe me, that is not judgment. judgment is when man stands before a Holy God and is clothed in his own righteousness and he hears the Words, 'Depart from me, ye that do work iniquity; I never knew you'

 

==I agree but can we limit its affects to the spiritual only? What about birth defects? Clearly these are the result of sin also?

Martin. </font>[/QUOTE]You did say that birth defects are the result of sin and the above post proves it to be so. What you are advocating in your argument is unBiblical and heresy.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Joseph Botwinick,

I agree. I think this question is trying to justify something that God has said is sin.

 

Joseph, you are chronically quick to accuse people who disagree with you of heresy. I wish you would stop that. (Never mind, he or someone else erased his accusation.)

Martin is asking a valid question and I don't think either of you are really paying attention to the question itself.

First of all, of course what we do is affected by the influences around us (or they wouldn't be called 'influences'!). Remember, train a child up in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it? Training, environment -- these are incredibly important in a person's life. One does not simply make a choice out of the blue: I think I will be a homosexual now. Or I think I will be a thief now. Things influence these choices. There are, one way or another, 'invitations' or temptations toward these areas. If not, then all who rebel against God would be homosexual, but they are not.

Is there a biological element involved? I don't know. And, quite frankly, neither do you! I do know this, however, that even if there is a biological element involved, it is not one which is overpowering but one which can be overcome when one chooses to follow Christ instead of one's own sin nature. The Holy Spirit gives each us of the the power to conquer whatever our own particular points of weakness were/are where sin is concerned. We were not all adulterers. Not all murderers. Not all homosexuals. Not all liars. Not all thieves.

We each had our own 'specialties' where sin was concerned! Whether or not there is a genetic component in any of these is not known. It's as simple as that.

But we do know that there are strong social and psychological influences which direct the sinner toward one or another 'speciality.' For instance, it has been documented past any shadow of a doubt that violence on television and other forms of entertainment engenders violence in kids. Is this added to a genetic predisposition to be violent? It may be, as not all kids who indulge or who are allowed to watch these things turn out violent.

Not every child who is homosexually abused becomes homosexual. But some do. Why the difference, assuming none of them are saved? We don't know.

Martin, if I have missed the boat on what you were trying to discuss here, please let me know.

 

Amen Joseph!

 

Helen,

I am not concerned about what you wish. Teaching that sin causes birth defects and that homosexuality is genetic (ie: God made them that way) is unbiblical and heresy. I don't care if you like it or not. The truth remains the same.

Joseph Botwinick

 

One quick thing more: all of everything that is wrong with creation, including birth defects are the ultimate results of sin. Not a specific sin by a specific person involved, but sin as sin, starting with Adam.