Is Iraq Unraveling?

I hope not as well....but it's a bit early IMO to talk of "unraveling." It's been a rough few days. Let's see how the next 2-3 weeks go.

ANd for crying out loud, I wish one of our boys would get a clean shot at that scumbag Al Sadr....he's the reason so many of them have been attacked this week. What a scumbag.

 

The Shiite Government of Iraq armed forces are fighting the Shiite militias. This is a sign Iraq is stablizing.

Even yet, we still can snatch defeat from the very Jaws of Victory (JoV) in Iraq -- just cut & run

Hillary said that if we are still in Iraq in 100 years that is that defeat looks like. Sorry Sister Hillary, that is exactly what VICTORY in IRAQ looks like. In 1945 we* defeated Japan -- 63 years later - still there. In 1945 we defeated Germany -- 63 years later - still there.

* 'we' = USofA and selected allies

 

Yes, too early to say. Not enough signs of that. But no cake walk either.

 

You just love to bring up the fact that we are still in Japan and Germany. You know full well that there is no comparsion. How many U.S. soldiers were killed by the citizens in either Japan or Germany last year?

 

Three points:
1. Iraq was, is, and always will be a quagmire. Only the most devoted acolytes refuse to acknowledge this.
2. We are stuck there now. The people responsible for getting us into this mess had no understanding of the Sunni/Shiite struggle/conflict, and now we are stuck there. This is bleeding our country dry, and will continue to do so.
3. Anyone who believes we can cut and run are just as ignorant as those who got us into this mess.

Regards,
BiR

 

Study the history of Iraq and see if they have ever really been "together" and not fighting with each other. The only time they have not been killing each other is when a strong man, like Saddam, kept them from killing each other. Of course he did this by brutal methods. The idea that we can change a culture steeped in violence and revenge is not a wise one.

 

So eventually, we station troops in every country of the world? Pax Americana? High time we leave Germany & Japan anyway. Victory is getting the job done and coming home, not eternal occupation. You could argue that 55 years later, we are still keeping an uneasy peace in Korea, but remember there was only a cease fire there, not a peace treaty.

 

We could better use our troops on our borders, and finally fighting gang extortion in the cities.

 

I agree. If the next President is so interested in change (the latest meaningless buzz word), here is a change. Our national guard and reserves should be used for border control, not to fight foreign wars on an endless time table. The next President must give our active duty enough people to carry out its mission, and if we want to stay in Iraq, that means Iraq, or whatever other war we choose to start. The idea of using the reserve and national guard for an endless overseas war is one of the greatest blunders of this administration. The national guard was only meant as an emergency stop gap measure for a limited time.