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Is Mel Gibson insane?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by vaspers, Feb 18, 2004.

  1. Mike McK

    Mike McK New Member

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    And your background as a mental health professional is...?

    Would it be OK, instead, if I prayed that you would get off your high horse?
     
  2. LadyEagle

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    Christ had an interesting comment to make.

    "And I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men to me".

    Whatever our personal reaction to the violence of the cross it is His chosen means to bring people to Him.
     
  4. vaspers

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    I'm close to finished discussing this topic, but I fail to see anywhere in the preaching of the apostles in Acts, or in the church epistles, any focus on the "violence of the cross." He suffered and died, yes. This does not mean we are to win souls to Christ by protracted, graphic depictions of what wicked hands inflicted upon Him. Just try doing that when you witness to someone and see how far you get. Repentance does not consist of extreme focus on the cruelty displayed. Plus, this is the Stigmata Mystic Emmerich version of the crucifixion and I warn others of the possibly mentally disturbed nature of some of those masochistic catholic (or any religion) mystics who "hurt themselves for Christ" emulating His suffering. This is not the true Gospel, my brothers and sisters. Yet this is Mel's misguided influence for the "P" film.
     
  5. Kathy

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    I heard you have to go during the first week in order for the movie to be labelled a "Blockbuster"...so I'm gonna go during the first week because ANY movie that the focus is on Jesus Christ I would LOVE to see as #1 at the Box Office [​IMG]

    I for one can't wait to see it, altho I will not bring my small children (ages 8 & 4). I'm not anticipating the "Feel Good Movie of the Year" but I think we all need to be reminded about what Christ suffered for us all...IMHO [​IMG]

    Kathy
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  6. LadyEagle

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    The question was...Is Mel Gibson insane?

    Yes. He had a perfectly good career as a top box office draw and that career is probably in the toilet now.

    Yes. He has suffered abuse from the media and harrassment of his aged old father by the media.

    Yes. He has received death threats.

    Yes. He has received hate mail.

    Yes. He has been shunned by the Hollywood studios who all turned him down for producing this movie - probably really blacklisted, too, now.

    Yes. He has gone to great personal expense to the tune of millions of dollars to make this movie.

    Yes. He has turned Jews against him.

    Yes. He has turned some Christians against him who find him to be (in their judgment) doomed to hell, or at the very least, accused him of trying to make something evil and demonic (by those who haven't even seen the movie, no less).

    Yes. He will probably have some Catholics turned against him, too.

    Yes. He has been accused of everything from idolatry to being gory and sadistic.

    Yes. He is insane. No one in their right mind would even dare to do what he has done & have so many people turn against him & gnash them with their teeth and throw a perfectly wonderful movie career down the tubes unless he was insane.

    Or, (to give him the benefit of the doubt) perhaps there is a chance that he isn't insane after all - maybe - just maybe, he is my brother in Christ and the Holy Spirit led him to make this movie. Maybe. Just maybe.
     
  7. Elijah

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    If we as believers would think a little more about just what Jesus suffered for us, instead of taking it for granted, and not wanting to hear about it or see it, we may just appreciate His sacrifice that He made for us and get a little more on fire for doing His work than we are. maybe that is what Mel had in mind. God bless him for having the courage to go through with this project. If one soul is saved due to viewing this film, then it was worth it.
     
  8. Elijah

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    Vaspers , just how much ,in your opinion should we sterilize the gospel in telling others about it? Did Jesus play down His suffering? Hmm, lets see; John 20: 27 "Then He said to Thomas, reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing."
    Jesus didnt hesitate to show His disciples His wounds that He had suffered for them and us. The Gospels very graphically tell us what He suffered for us, for us to water it down to a seseme street version is inexcusable, and an insult to all Jesus done for us. From defending abortion on another thread, to not wanting to hear about Christs suffering on this one. Where you coming from ? :confused:
     
  9. vaspers

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    You Elijah know I never for a single second defended abortion. You may need to read a little slower and more carefully. I flat out said I believe abortion is wrong. On the "P" film: If a person can sit and watch their Saviour, in gory prolonged, gratuitous detail, being whipped, 15 minute long floggging, birds pecking out the eye of a thief on the cross, Mary exalted as Co-Redeemer, many extra-biblical elements tossed in, some bizarre non-biblical ideas thrown in, a Jesus film based on the tortured visions of a possibly demented catholic "Mystic" who was extremely focused on pain and agony and had bizarre visions contrary to the Bible, by Mel who believes there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church, etc. etc., you think this is a "good Christian film", go ahead. Remember you were warned. Dr. Bob made good comments in his Mel Gibsons "Christianity" topic. I still say this is a violence lover's movie made by a deeply disturbed individual who needs the true gospel according to the Bible, not Stigmata Masochistic Pain Freak Mystics.
     
  10. Elijah

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    By your standards my Bible must be for violence lovers, since there is plenty in it. I do not love violence, I abhor it, but the true Gospel of the Bible does not take it away, why would you do this? Are you saying that the true Gospel is not violent. the truth is Jesus died a terribly violent death, for me, and you. Dont turn away from this truth. Will it bother you? Yes! If it didnt you would really have a problem, but that doesnt change the fact that jesus did suffer and die for us, dont try to take that out of the gospel.
     
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    Good job LadyEagle. I'm glad you make an effort to see good in people unlike vaspers who is only searching for ways, no matter how twisted they are to condemn [​IMG]
     
  12. Jim Ward

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    Do you know of any websites that has all of this documented or could you (or someone else) e-mail me this info? A radio program here hosted by a local Pastor is raving about this movie and I would love to call in with some of these facts.


    Jim
     
  13. vaspers

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    See good in heresy? Good in unbiblical movies that deceive unwitting unbelievers? Good in unquestioned loyalty to a warped version of the gospel? Good in a man who speaks deceptive error on national television about the most important topic on earth? If you think Mel is a good Christian, I really hope he is, but wow, what weird unbiblical ideas and aesthetics.
     
  14. vaspers

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    Jim W. ask anyone who has seen the movie, not how ecstatically they liked it, but specific questions about specific scenes, and where the unbiblical ideas come from. Ask anyone who saw Mel Gibson's interviews, especially Monday night's Diane Sawyer interview, I saw it and was shocked especially at his closing non-biblical remarks about everybody going to heaven, Christians and non-Christians. Mel himself says he got his film inspiration from a mystic called Emmerich, who dwelled obsessively on agony and pain and torture, you'll see this influence in the film if you go to it. Apparently most Christians don't care about the biblical accuracy of this film. That is very disturbing. Just because it's "about Jesus" that means it must be good. Plus they may just "like" Mel. I dunno what the deal is.
     
  15. Jim Ward

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    Thanks vaspers [​IMG]
     
  16. Watchman

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    Mainly because of the non-Biblical source material I will not be seeing this film, but I do not condemn those who do wish to see it.
    As for the graphical portayal of the crucifiction: Yes, it happenend; Yes, our Lord and Savior suffered horribly so we could be saved; BUT, can a re-inactment go TOO far? I am not sure how to answer that, and I don't know if anyone can.
    Thank You is not a big enough term to tell the Lord how I feel in gratitude to Him that He did that for me. I'll leave it there.
     
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    not forgetting the biblical indictment on Thomas ... Blessed are they that have not seen and yet have believed.


    ;)
     
  18. blackbird

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    All I can say is---and folks on the board may get mad at me and not print to me or acknowledge my presence anymore when I do say this---but---

    God---in a finite period of time on the cross, took all of the hell that I would have had to endure over an infinite period of time! And not only my hell but the hell of a lot of other people---namely yours, and yours, and yours!! Therefore, it is my opinion that there's no way that Mel can can encase eternity and its fury and fiery judgement thrust upon the blessed Lord Jesus Christ inside of a 2 1/2 hour movie!!!

    Yes, Calvary was where man did his worst! But it was also where God did His best!!

    As for Mel being "insane??"----watch Mad Max and all those "Lethal Weapon" movies---and you can get a case of "insane-ness" to work with!!!

    Brother David
     
  19. LadyEagle

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    I could never be mad at you, Brother David. Yuz my feathered cuzzin'!! ;)
     
  20. blackbird

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    Not even if . . . if . . . if . . . I'm a SBC'er :cool: [​IMG] and a Repub :mad: . . .---see!!!!??? I can't say that word anymor----wait------yes I can----Republcan???? [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Your Southern Baptist preachin' buddy,
    Brother David
     
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