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Is Obama a flip-flopper ?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Bro. Curtis, Apr 29, 2008.

  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    An economy that caters to the rich and the corporatocracy.
     
  2. Bro. Curtis

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    What kind of government did God first give Israel ?
     
  3. Bro. Curtis

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    Actually, that's closer to facism.
     
  4. KenH

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    Judges 21:25 (ESV)
    In those days there was no king in Israel. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.
     
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    So yer back to Ron Paul, there, buddy ?

    :wavey:
     
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    There were judges, to make sure people's rights were not violated. It was not complete anarchy.
     
  7. KenH

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    I have no desire to see our economy be one where it is based merely on the survival of the fittest when it comes to the individual. We could learn a whole lot from the way that Finland has organized its economy.
     
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    I neither stated nor impled that it was.

    Gotta leave the BB for the rest of the night. I have enjoyed the debates today. :)
     
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    Any reasonably intelligent person can see that he is a flip-flopper. I fail to see what there is to debate here.
     
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    Hasn't Finland been in the E.U. for like eight years ? And how much money does Finland spend in emergency rooms on people in their country illegally each year ? And why is Finland allowed to exploit their own resources, while liberal whiners over here block every effort to try and become more energy independant ?
     
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    Yeah, I gotta go play some music, myself.

    Yup. Quite a day. I think the people who want to, work this kind of stuff out, if it goes on long enough. Sometimes it's longer than others.
     
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    Please show me an example of excessive capitalism. Capitalism is a self correcting philosophy, which can and does fluctuate, and is vastly superior to any known economic model out there today.

    I believe any example you can list, will be an example of tampering by socialists.
     
  13. Joseph M. Smith

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    I am disappointed in Obama for changing his attitude toward Pastor Wright, not for his having been a part of Trinity UCC for these years. With some of you, I believe Obama heard this preacher and drank in his thinking, but now sees the pastor as a liability politically. I would have a lot more respect for him if he were to attempt to interpret, in more irenic terms than Wright, what the black church does and why it succeeds -- in some senses -- in so doing. Wright's rhetoric is not unusual in black preaching; it is just that he is so skilled a speaker and turner of phrases that his preachments have caught the attention of the media.

    Further, Pastor Wright is not rephrasing his material for white consumption, as some would doubtless do in settings like the National Press Club. He is being himself all the way. Since his speaking tour is being read as an embarrassment to the Obama campaign, it would be more honest if Obama would simply affirm what he can and interpret what he cannot, without condemning anything.

    Now he and his pastor are going to have to reconcile some kind of way. Discipleship demands no less.
     
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    Your mind is made up. To list anything contrary to your views of capitalism vs socialism would be a waste of time. I for one don't have the time or compulsion to do so.

    Let me just say that I think our government works best with some of both systems working hand in hand.
     
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    why did you respond?
     
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    Listen to the words and read the documents. They're communicating the same message. The "misrepresentation" is when Obama stands up and talks about "change" but doesn't define what he really means, wants, and would push to get if he was to become President.
     
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    It happens every once in a while. Folks respond to tell you they will not respond. :laugh:
     
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    I can't think of a single success story for socialism, or its big brother communism, but we're living in a tremendous success story for capitalism.
     
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    Unrestrained, capitalism is as bad as communism. It becomes every man for himself, survival of the fittest, and rule by corporate interests. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
     
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    Unrestrained and well protected, capitalism permits every man to create wealth by his on good ideas and hard work. It does not replace the hand of God in all that we do. It does not mean everyone will prosper and that there will be no problems for a few or many. It only means that the opportunity is there and man is much more likely to reach the "happiness" he might pursue. No other human system has yet matched it. Every communist and socialist economy wishes to be more like ours and is only impeded in reaching that goal by those who'd have to give up thier power of government in order to let them do it.
     
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