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Is Pelosi just dumb, or devious?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Major B, Sep 29, 2008.

  1. Major B

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    With 95 of her own members voting against the bill because of constituent complaints, she had just enough votes to get the bill, then she decided to drop her cookies before the whole house--not in the sound bite you may have seen on TV, but for at least five minutes. The GOP then dropped the bomb and did not support.
     
  2. KenH

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    I don't buy the excuse that Republicans were willing to see the economy collapse because they didn't like some words in a speech.
     
  3. ajg1959

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    I have mixed feelings on this.

    First off, I dont think we should pass any bail out measure that gives the money to the corporations. Now, money used to help the homeowners get new loans that they can afford, I would go for. I would favor making the money available for individual homeowners to apply for that need to refinance, but not giving it directly to the mortgage companys. That way, none of the money would be absorbed directly by the CEO's.

    Secondly, I dont think the Dems are going to let any measure pass to relieve this situation while Bush is in office....especially since McCain is pushing for it so hard. In no uncertain terms do they want to give any credit to a republican for saving the economy. In this, I think Pelosi is devious.

    AJ
     
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    Karl Rove was just on OReilly and said you had to look at the list of the Dems who voted no to fully understand what happened. The majority were Jr member who may not have come through the storm. There were committee chairman and other leaders he says they were trying to protect. IOW, according to him, the party were protecting them by selecting which should vote no. He says when the house republicans saw that, on top of her speech, that was the last straw. They felt railroaded.

    Hard to know what to believe these days and it seems all of DC has made a game out of how they legislate our lives. Perhaps the entire country should do a write in for Mickey or people from nursing homes just to show them who really has the power. One thing I know for sure, the Republican party is divided. There are the leaders then there are informal leaders of this house republican group.
     
  5. Major B

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    Did you listen to it Ken? It was a slime-fest, low even by her standards, and full of invective. She was basically guaranteeing that she would hang the whole bailout on the necks of the very GOP congressmen that she needed pass the bill. Talk about a poison pill!
     
  6. LeBuick

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    I agree 100% with this.

    i see a double edge sword, one side is the Dems tying to tack so much on to the bill that it looses the original purpose. This thing about sending money to 3rd party consumer groups like Acorn is going too far for something needed so urgently.

    Then there is that set of ultra-conservative republicans. They don't seem to care about McCain or any other republican for that matter. I haven't figured out how to classify them yet except to say they do stick to their principles and to each other.
     
  7. LeBuick

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    I've heard worse but I do agree if this bill meant so much to the people, then wasn't the place or the time for a GOP is bad lecture.
     
  8. KenH

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    So the Republicans had a hissy fit, stomped their feet, and decided to risk blowing up the economy over some words? Now, there's putting the country first. :rolleyes:
     
  9. Major B

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    Get the context. GOP leaders (including the administration, McCain, the leadership in both houses, etc.,) had worked very hard on the phone and in person to convince a couple of dozen individual GOP congressmen who had also been getting voter contacts from their district ten to one against the bill. So here they are ready to line up and stick their necks out, and Nancy shows them the axe she is going to use on them. Duh.
     
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    Again folks, all Nancy needed was 12, out of the 96 in her party that didn't perform her bidding.

    Bet they get NO pork barrel spending.
     
  11. poncho

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    I'm going with devious.
     
  12. LeBuick

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    Looking at the entire situation I will say they should all be ashamed. Republican's and Democrats alike. They are kin to gangs on the street corner yet they are legislating our lives. Neither party is worth defending on this one.
     
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    There's 96 democrats that I'm proud of.
     
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    Those who voted no voted in favor of the country and the constitution.
     
  15. LeBuick

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    The problem is they voted no for selfish reasons which had nothing to do with the constitution. I guess wrong does seem right every now and then.
     
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    They voted no because their constituents like me called and said we wanted no part of it.
     
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