Is Righteousness Imputed Apart From Works?

Amy, here is just a sampling of a few verses for you to consider.
1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jo 5:18 ¶ We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Amy, did it ever occur to you to read why the Apostles said he wrote the books of John? It certainly was not to make us all sinners, now was it? 1Jo 2:1 ¶ My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Ro 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Ro 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Ro 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

 

DHK, is it comparable to the following assumptions of the word ‘alone??’

Ro 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him…….blood alone

Ro 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life…..His life alone

Ro 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?....by hope alone

1Co 15:1 ¶ Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; ……the gospel alone

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain…..keeping in memory alone

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved…by grace alone

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;…by mercy alone

Ro 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?...by the words of a preacher alone

Lu 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish….by repentance alone

And last but not least: Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?...by works alone

 

DHK, trying to explain certain passages of Scripture to you, when you refuse to recognize the clear separation/distinction between the grounds of salvation and conditions of salvation, is like trying to explain to a blind man a concept via a silent flannel graph presentation.

 

HP: I just did.:smilewinkgrin:

 

HP: Upon this verse I would remark that to deny that men have become morally depraved would be to cavil at reason itself. All have sinned is a universal statement. I would add that there ‘may’ be possible exceptions, though very rare, in the OT. Eternity will answer that issue as to if any, such as Enoch and Elijah, did in fact walk sinless before God. In our dispensation, God calls on men everywhere to repent whih is a clear indicator that none that have lived since the time of Christ have lived sinless before God. One thing this verse does not prove ort establish is any moral depravity from birth.

HP: One quick comment on this verse, is that by no means does the ’all’ include infants or those that have no capacity to reach the age of accountability. Those are not moral agents and as such cannot sin, neither can they in any manner act righteously.

HP: This verse can be justly read just as “If we say that we have not sinned” referring to having sinned at some point in the past. It by no means establishes sin in a believers life as a necessity. The blood of Christ cleanseth us from all sins that are past and all sins we will ever commit if the conditions for forgiveness are met. Christ did not come to save us ‘in’ our sins, but to save us ‘from’ our sins.’

HP: Again, that verse is not written to prove that all currently have sin in their lives, lest the blood of Jesus Christ be impotent to cleanse us from all sins. That verse simple says that if one denies they have ever sinned, they are not being truthful. I posted other verses that clearly prove that point beyond shadow of a doubt to which as I recall, you replied “Oh no you don't.” One such passage was" 1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

HP: No, I will not and have not denied the Scriptures.

 

HP: I have, and it remains the same thank you. :thumbs:

 

Amy, you and DHK need to learn that patience is a virtue. We do have other obligations besides this list you know. :thumbs:

 

HP: You speak falsely of that which you know nothing about. Nothing you have ever said had made me ‘mad.’
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HP: This verse can be justly read just as “If we say that we have not sinned” referring to having sinned at some point in the past.

HP: Believe as you will. There are many men well versed in the GK that will disagree with you on that point. Reason settles it for me as I indicated in my remarks. The blood of Christ cleanseth us from all sins that are past when we fulfill the stated conditions, and leaves us free from sin at that point if none other.

 

Amy, pleeeeese have mercy. :smilewinkgrin: