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NO human being can ever, in and of themselves SEEK the Lord, as they are naturally not interested. They must be DRAWN by the Holy Spirit through the preaching of the Gospel Message, and CONVICTED of their sins and need for The Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Salvation is not man-made!

 

The man-centered Vanism makes man the cause of salvation and God the effected party who reacts.
Every person God has chosen will hear his voice and be saved. The Bible is clear in so many passages on this issue that to claim differently is an obvious sign of man-centered theology, which is the core of Vanism.

 

Your Vanism is false.
Multiple verses have show you your error.
Your man-centered theology is obvious to all.

 

I am NOT reformed or a calvinist, and say that it is humanly IMPOSSIBLE for any sinner who is dead in their sins, to seek the Lord on their own. It is the Work of God the Holy Spirit, in CONVICTION, that leads them to REPENT and BELIEVE. What you suggest is a FALSE gospel!

 

The Jews that rejected Jesus by consequence denied the Father. They indeed did not seek "the God of the Bible." Jesus is God in the flesh. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also." (John 8:19). Jesus said that "I and the Father are one." (John 10;30). You are playing with fire Van to deny plain Scripture.

 

in #206 you said, "On and on, one bogus claim after another. Plenty of people seek God without being drawn by the Father"

This is FALSE! as it is IMPOSSIBLE

It is clear, that as you cannot grasp Christology, you also cannot grasp Soteriology. Instead of slamming people on here, be humble and LEARN!

 

It is simply absurd that a professing Christian like yourself would deny ultra clear Scripture so glibly. And what in the world does Abraham's bosom have to do with the Scripture I quoted which you turn on its head?

In my post #230, I quoted two passages from John. You call those passages absurdity. And you have the temerity to call yourself a Bible believer?!

 

I agree.
Please see John 6, John 8, John 10, Matthew 7, Matthew 13, Matthew 25.

I agree, sir, and that's been done, my friend.
The same message was indeed taken to the Gentiles after it was delivered to the Jews.

I'm sorry that you don't seem to understand that that message was not only one of forgiveness of sins for those who believe on Jesus Christ, but also includes the details about who, how and why those who believe, do so.

" As many as were ordained to eternal life...believed."

I encourage you to believe the words, SBG, as they stand.

 

" No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." ( John 6:44 ).

" And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." ( John 6:65 ).

 

Van does not get the plain import of Scripture. It's like he's blind to its message. He doesn't get the fact that people do not seek God. He doesn't understand that the Father is God and that the Son --Jesus, cannot be rejected by people and yet those people according to Van seek God. It's an impossibility.

 

Van, there is your error. God goes through the door and draws you in.
God is the cause of salvation. Faith is the effect.

 

It is indeed impossible, which is why dead in sin people cannot repent before God does his gracious work.
In your truth statement, you condemn your own teaching.

 

This right here is an illustration of the difference between Christians that can disagree about HOW God saves … and a heretic that disagrees with Christians about WHO does the saving.

God saves men = gospel (good news).
Anything that STARTS with what men do is not the gospel.