Is Seventh-Day Adventism a Cult?

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  1. Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    A biblical cult ALWAYS sees their founder as beijg inspired of God, and given additional revealtion knowledge outside of theBible, correct?
     
  2. thatbrian Well-Known Member

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    It is assumed that we are all coming from a Christian perspective, except for those members of said cult, of course.
     
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    Good point.
     
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    Fine - read the Bible... instead of complaining when I suggest it.

    in the meantime.

    Hoekema's argument against the SDA denomination was totally destroyed by Walter Martin's book "Kingdom of the Cults" where Martin placed the SDA Christian denomination in the appendix giving it a huge amount of space for discussion and totally annihilated Hoekema's shallow arguments addressing Hoekema's book specifically - explicitly.

    Martin was no SDA at all - but he knew a bogus argument when he saw it. Martin pointed out that half the time Hoekema was not even using the SDA published statements of belief for his straw-man arguments!! How sad that anyone could be snookered by Hoekema.

    As Christianity Today pointed out in 2015 - the SDA denomination is the 5th largest Christian denomination in the world and fastest growing (incidentally it is now over 25 million in attendance each Sabbath world wide.)
     
  5. thatbrian Well-Known Member

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    This means only two things. First, you've committed the logical fallacy of, "argumentum ad populum".

    Second, lots of people will face judgement without the proper wedding garment to clothe them. Rather than being clothed in Christ they will try to enter the Great Banquet, which will include meat and wine, Bob, robed in their own "rightness", and they will be cast into the outer darkness.

    This is the what cults will have to show for themselves, in the end. May God have mercy on you and grant you repentance.
     
  6. Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    Its basically who do you trustthemost for salvation answers, Jesus or EW?
     
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    How about we look at SDA official theological core beliefs and point our specifically what is wrong? I will begin with there position on God.


    "WHO IS GOD?God is love, power, and splendor—and God is a mystery. His ways are far beyond us, but He still reaches out to us. God is infinite yet intimate, three yet one, all-knowing yet all-forgiving. We will spend eternity cherishing an ever-deepening relationship with God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    Despite the distance sin demands, God has revealed Himself in countless ways. The Bible is the story of God striving to reconnect with His children, and is a major method God uses to reach us. A mosaic of authors, styles and perspectives, the Bible reveals a God who is ever-creative, ever-patient and ever-seeking to restore our relationship with Him. Though written by ordinary people, through the Spirit it pierces our hearts, opens our eyes and convicts us to live for Him.

    God the Father reached out to us most dramatically through His Son Jesus, who chose not just to visit us, but to become one of us. Born human so we can be reborn in the Spirit, Jesus showed us God’s love and character—and how far God was willing to go to save us from self-destruction. What we could not do for ourselves, He did for us, paying the price for our sins, dying in our place so we can live forever. He conquered death through resurrection, and promised to return to take us home.

    Meanwhile, God has not left us alone. The Holy Spirit is here to comfort us, guide us and transform us to live as witnesses for God’s love. The same Spirit who inspired prophets and empowered Jesus, who shaped scripture and created the world, enables and empowers each one of us. The Spirit activates the “body of Christ,” the church, through spiritual gifts and a humble attitude of service and compassion. "

    Who is God? : The Official Site of the Seventh-day Adventist Church

    Does anybody disagree with the above statement?
     
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    The BIg differences are in what saves a sinner, and how they view EW!
    Even the RCC gets the Trinity right!
     
  9. thatbrian Well-Known Member

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    No one has claimed that every word that comes from the SDA is wrong. We claim that its gospel is no gospel at all, and that its prophet is false; therefore, its very foundations are wrong.
     
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    I am going to ask you plainly. Are you SDA or you do you agree with their doctrine?
     
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    No, I just want to know exactly what they actually believe before I make any judgements. I honestly don't know much about their beliefs. I am going to their official website to find out for myself.
     
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    So, is it accurate to say that nothing in that statement is false?
     
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    BELIEFSHUMANITY

    A BROKEN BEAUTYFrom neurons to nebulae, DNA to distant galaxies, we are surrounded by wonder. Yet the beauty is broken.

    Genesis tells us that a loving God split light from darkness and land from water, setting life in motion and sculpting the first human from clay. Genesis describes God’s joy and satisfaction in His work, again and again delighting that each new feature is “good.” Earth flourished in perfect harmony, cared for by humanity.

    God celebrated His work by declaring a weekly holiday, the Sabbath, a day off to remember our connection with our Creator. God designed humanity to reflect His glory, each of us echoing a unique facet of His personality and character. Mind, body and spirit, we think, live and meditate. The astounding component? Freedom.

    We owe our very breath to God, yet He gave us freedom to choose—a trait that risked catastrophe. A clever lie caused the first humans to question God’s love and trustworthiness. Soon fear, envy and indifference scarred the world. Separating us from God, sin warped all that was good. Hearts rebelled. Bodies decayed. Relationships rotted. We could not reach God on our own; God would have to come to us.

    And so God did, sending His Son to rebuild the shattered relationship between heaven and earth. God sent His Spirit to mend the disfigured image of God in us. The Spirit empowers us to reach out to others, demonstrating love and representing our Savior and Creator to a broken world we’re called to repair

    Humanity :: The Official Site of the Seventh-day Adventist world church
     
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    BELIEFSSALVATION

    DISRUPTED HARMONYLove. Harmony. Perfection. Once, all creation sang the same glorious song.

    Disharmony erupted when a once-perfect being abused his God-given freedom. Satan “the accuser” chose self-centeredness and slander over truth and love. Satan claimed that God is not fair, that He’s harsh and controlling, depriving others of what they deserve.

    Satan’s deception convinced a third of heaven’s angels, whom God expelled from heaven. Satan claimed rulership of our planet when he swindled its first couple, Adam and Eve, making them doubt God’s trustworthiness and love. That first sin distorted God’s image in us, twisting the world in on itself and threatening its self-destruction. The universe watched to see God’s response to Satan’s accusations.

    The “great controversy” between good and evil over God’s character continues to rage, but Jesus, God’s own Son, settled its central question two thousand years ago when He died for humanity.

    How strong is God’s love? Jesus’ self-sacrificing death showed that God is willing to pay the incalculable cost of our sins. His sacrifice unmasked the true horror of sin and made clear that God can be trusted. Why did Jesus’ death make such a difference? Because Jesus lived the perfect life that we’ve each failed to achieve and he died the death we each deserve.

    The result: We can live for Him, now and forever. Jesus’ sacrifice reconciles us to a perfect God while transforming our hearts. The Holy Spirit shows us our need for God and assures us that we are saved and forgiven. The Spirit writes a new script in our hearts, empowering us to live in freedom, service and joy. God treats us as if we had never sinned, never doubted, never gone our own way.

    The same Jesus who subdued demons during His life declared victory over all evil powers at His death. Jesus’ resurrection guarantees that death itself will die. Our new life in Jesus frees us from the fear of death and the shame of our past.

    As we connect with Jesus, the Holy Spirit calms our hearts and transforms our outlook. Our spiritual life grows as we talk with God, ponder His Word, share our faith and worship through music and fellowship.

    Salvation :: The Official Site of the Seventh-day Adventist world church
     
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    Didn't read it.
     
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    Go into more detail on how they view the Sabbath!
     
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    Fine -- "read" - the Bible do not keep ignoring it.

    The Bible informs us of true prophets that never write a word of the Bible like Agabus in Acts, all the saints in Corinth in 1 Corinthians 14, Anna in the temple welcoming Christ, Philip's 4 daughters.

    1 Thess 5
    . 19 Do not quench the Spirit; 20 do not despise prophetic utterances.

    1 Cor 14:1
    Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.

    1 Cor 12
    27 Now you are Christ’s body, and individually members of it. 28 And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.


    Eph 4
    11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;


    Our view of it "Give me the Bible AND the WORDS IN the Bible" -- just having a Bible on the shelf does not help.
     
  18. BobRyan Well-Known Member

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    ThatBrian claims he does not "read" when it comes to this topic.
     
  19. BobRyan Well-Known Member

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    Nice post
     
  20. BobRyan Well-Known Member

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    As one of the TEN Commandments - part of God's moral law written on the heart and mind under the NEW Covenant.

    Those who value being at war against the Commandments of God should read what Christ said about it in Mark 7:6-13.

    "READ" the Bible.