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Hmmmm....personally a trip to the Dr. Kevorkian of choice should NOT be taken off the table or vilified as some have done. Oregon has very open laws that allow for it. Pain is not always managed well, suffering is extremely heightened, strain on family becomes paramount, costs can put the family in debt....and the only ones getting richer are the darn doctors & hospitals.

 

Absolutely Ann. There is definitely some medicnes out there that chemically help bring things back into balance.

But there are just as many that seem to be sending so many folks over the edge. And they are massly used like Zoloft, Paxil, Celexa, Lexapro, and Wellbutrin.

Anti-depressants are dangerous.

 

I have a differing viewpoint.
One of the young men came from a family that thought "holistic" therapy was better (more natural) and didn't want their son on any medication for depression.

I regret the decision they made and believe medication may have helped.

Medication has its place and can be used for good ... it can also be abused.
When used for depressions or associated mental illnesses it's best when used in conjunction with counseling.

Rob

 

Been there & so I am of the same mindset.

 

Rob, I don't think our viewpoints differ that much. As I said to Ann, I agree that medications definitely have a place in treatment. Family members just need to REALLY know about some of these side effects because medications can make a perfectly sane person seem crazy.

I have seen too many families devastated by people taking their lives only to find out there was some mood altering drug involved in their "treatments".

 

I agree that this is an area that the church needs to tread softly and be most graceful. I have seen men and women who I have thought to be extremely strong Christians take their lives because they just don't feel anything or they feel like there is no hope for what they are feeling due to some mind-altering drug or something else.

It definitely doesn't help the families who are left behind .

 

I will just bet you are a young man. See both my brother & I both have been through this. We dont see ourselves as bullies but thats what both he & I were. sometimes it takes almost loosing something to realize how much you care for it.

Have you taken serious steps to amend your ways.....see killing yourself would solve nothing....but addressing your anger, accepting your mistakes as something you did yourself & BEGGING, and I mean really begging for forgiveness are much more rational ways of dealing with the problem.

Lastly, what does the pastor of that church tell you to do ....shouldnt you be speaking with him?

 

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I don't feel comfortable going over the details, but being a soldier suffering from PTSD, I have had a battle with depression. I wen through the whole "pushing away family" thing that is common with PTSD.

At one point, I was so low, that I wished I were dead. I even started thinking about if I decided to do it, what would be the least pain on my family. I know where you're coming from.

In your head, you know it's the wrong answer. And people like to throw scripture at you, and tell you to trust God. But you feel, like you said, as if Heaven is closed to you. You feel no connection to others, and any fun you do have just makes the bad times seem worse.

Brother, I still have a long way to go, but I'm recovering.

First, understand that you aren't alone. I have been there, as have others. Talk to someone. Preferably someone you trust. If you feel you can, you can even PM me, and i will talk with you.

Second, get somewhere by yourself in nature. Leave behind things you could use to harm yourself, such as guns, knives, and rope. Just get outside in the sun, and think for a while. Things seem better in the sun. You can't think clearly about the situation when you're alone in the dark. But out in the sun things seem better.

Finally, there will come a crucial moment. You will be forced in your mind to make a decision. What you decide there will make or break you. Lift your head, stick your chest out, and out loud say, "I'm stronger than this. I can make it. No matter what the world throws at me, I'll tackle it."

Brother, you've faced challenges in your life and overcome them. You've had hard times before. While seeming insurmountable right now, this is just another challenge to overcome. And you can overcome it.

 

What is? Perseverance of the Saints?

 

It pains me that this is going on. Please, please, please find ASAP a good CHRISTIAN counselor and doctor who can set you on another path of treatment and who get you off the anti-depressants.

And get back to your church. I know it's hard, but GOD did not tell you to leave your church and your church family. It has left you more vulnerable than you were before because you're somewhat isolated.

No parent or spouse is perfect. You and your wife and kids need to sit down TOGETHER and you express your sincerest apologies just as you did above. I probably will not fix everything, but it will be a good starting point.

Don't you give up because God never gives up on you. If you ever just need to talk, just PM one of us on the board and I know MANY will gladly lend an ear.

We have a satellite campus down in Panama City. I can give you the campus Pastors name and number and the church address if you need someone whom you can sit in front of and just purge some stuff.

But don't you dare let go of God's unchanging hand. I know it may seem like it can't be fixed, and YOU can't. But know that GOD is ABLE!!!

Lifting a prayer RIGHT NOW!!!

 

Excellent advice.

Amen!!!raying:raying:

 

....and Samuel told him that he would be joining him where he was:

19 Moreover Jehovah will deliver Israel also with thee into the hand of the Philistines; and to-morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: Jehovah will deliver the host of Israel also into the hand of the Philistines. 1 Sam 28

 

It has noting to do with perseverance of the saints.

 

Excellent post SW; thanks for sharing that.

 

Splendid post sister!:thumbsup: