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  1. Hobie

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    The Bible is void and silent on Sunday sacredness, so those who claim they follow 'Solo Scriptura' or the "Bible Only" Christians contradict themselves by observing it as a replacement for the Sabbath. Many say that the reason it is held as the day of worship is since Jesus rose on the first day, or because the Holy Spirit was given to the early church on the Day of Pentecost, or that Paul broke bread and ate on the first day at Troas, or had offering brought to him on the first day to take to those suffering in Jerusalem. But history and scripture verify that none of the arguments are valid. Nowhere it the Bible does it declare Sunday sacredness, or is the day of worship changed by Christ or the Apostles.

    Many Christians believe and teach that Sunday is the "Christian sabbath" or that a change was made by God to the Sunday observance, but scripture says nothing on this. Now lets look at how the belief was held by the Reformers as they knew Sunday sacredness was not scriptural.....

    The Reformers held that Sunday observance was not juris divini (of divine law), but only quasi juris divini (of semidivine law); yet they did would not allow that the claim that it could be changed and appointed by the authority of the Roman Catholic church (Augsburg Confession of 1536, part 2, art. 7, "Of Ecclesiastical Power"). However the Protestant churches held to the idea of Sunday sacredness, and followed the Catholic practice of Sunday observance. This is not found in the Bible, and Christ confirmed that as Creator He made the Sabbath for man, and He kept the Sabbath:

    Mark 2:27-28 King James Version (KJV)
    "27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
    28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath."

    Christ observed the Sabbath and He set an example for us to follow:

    Luke 4:16 King James Version (KJV)
    "16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read."

    The practice of observing the first day of the week as Sabbath has no sanction either in Christ or in the New Testament. Jesus kept the Sabbath and He went to on Sabbath to the synagogue to worship, and nowhere does scripture have anything contesting this. We find it in many text:

    Luke 4:17 King James Version (KJV)
    "17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,"

    The Sabbath was not only for going to church in order to worship but also to hear God’s Word. On the Sabbath day we find Christ in His mission to teach, to relieve the oppressed, to heal every kind of disease, and to restore those who are brokenhearted and without hope. And Christ did even more:

    Luke 4:31-41 King James Version (KJV)
    "31 And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days.
    32 And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power.
    33 And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice,
    34 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God.
    35 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. And when the devil had thrown him in the midst, he came out of him, and hurt him not.
    36 And they were all amazed, and spake among themselves, saying, What a word is this! for with authority and power he commandeth the unclean spirits, and they come out.
    37 And the fame of him went out into every place of the country round about.
    38 And he arose out of the synagogue, and entered into Simon's house. And Simon's wife's mother was taken with a great fever; and they besought him for her.
    39 And he stood over her, and rebuked the fever; and it left her: and immediately she arose and ministered unto them.
    40 Now when the sun was setting, all they that had any sick with divers diseases brought them unto him; and he laid his hands on every one of them, and healed them.
    41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ."

    We also see how on the Sabbath day Christ handled the demon-possessed man who confronted Jesus, and He rebuked the evil angels just as He rebuked the Devil himself.

    Mathew 4:1-11 King James Version (KJV)
    "1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
    2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
    3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
    4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
    5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
    6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
    7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
    8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
    9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
    10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."

    Notice He states "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve", worship is important. Now much of the Christian world reverences Sunday or holds to Sunday sacredness, but did God know that this attempt to change His holy Sabbath would occur? Lets look:

    "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. " Daniel 7:25

    "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them." Acts 20:28-30

    God predicted that from within the church itself, there would arise men who would attempt to change what He had set from Creation and His holy law. So the prophecy has shown to be true, and it has come to about as the Sabbath and those who kept it were persecuted and slain, and the Sabbath swept away, and a substitute put in.
     
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    And we find the boast of the Roman Papacy on its deed....

    The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or Seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day. The Council of Trent (Sess. VI, can. xix) condemns those who deny that the Ten Commandments are binding on Christians.
    —The Catholic Encyclopedia, Commandments of God, Volume IV, © 1908 by Robert Appleton Company, Online Edition © 1999 by Kevin Knight, Nihil Obstat - Remy Lafort, Censor Imprimatur - +John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York, page 153.

    The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.
    —The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

    All of us believe many things in regard to religion that we do not find in the Bible. For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the Church outside the Bible.
    —The Catholic Virginian, To Tell You The Truth,” Vol. 22, No. 49 (Oct. 3, 1947).

    ... you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.
    —The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.

    Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.'
    —Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.

    But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn't it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistent; but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed.

    They have continued the custom, even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text in the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away - like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair.
    —The Faith of Millions

    Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. "The Day of the Lord" (dies Dominica) was chosen, not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power. The day of resurrection, the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would be the new Sabbath. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.
    —Sentinel, Pastor's page, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995

    If Protestants would follow the Bible, they would worship God on the Sabbath day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church.
    —Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920.

    The observance of Sunday by the Protestants is homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the [Catholic] Church.
    —Monsignor Louis Segur, ‘Plain Talk about the Protestantism of Today’, p. 213.

    What Important Question Does the Papacy Ask Protestants?
    Protestants have repeatedly asked the papacy, "How could you dare to change God's law?" But the question posed to Protestants by the Catholic church is even more penetrating.

    Here it is officially: You will tell me that Saturday was the Jewish Sabbath, but that the Christian Sabbath has been changed to Sunday. Changed! but by whom? Who has authority to change an express commandment of Almighty God? When God has spoken and said, Thou shalt keep holy the Seventh day, who shall dare to say, Nay, thou mayest work and do all manner of worldly business on the Seventh day; but thou shalt keep holy the first day in its stead?

    This is a most important question, which I know not how you can answer. You are a Protestant, and you profess to go by the Bible and the Bible only; and yet in so important a matter as the observance of one day in seven as a holy day, you go against the plain letter of the Bible, and put another day in the place of that day which the Bible has commanded.

    The command to keep holy the Seventh day is one of the ten commandments; you believe that the other nine are still binding; who gave you authority to tamper with the fourth? If you are consistent with your own principles, if you really follow the Bible and the Bible only, you ought to be able to produce some portion of the New Testament in which this fourth commandment is expressly altered.
    —Library of Christian Doctrine: Why Don't You Keep Holy the Sabbath-Day? (London: Burns and Oates, Ltd.), pp. 3, 4.

    There is but one church on the face of the earth which has the power, or claims power, to make laws binding on the conscience, binding before God, binding under penalty of hell-fire. For instance, the institution of Sunday. What right has any other church to keep this day? You answer by virtue of the third commandment (the papacy did away with the 2nd regarding the worship of graven images, and called the 4th the 3rd), which says 'Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.'

    But Sunday is not the Sabbath. Any schoolboy knows that Sunday is the first day of the week. I have repeatedly offered one thousand dollars to anyone who will prove by the Bible alone that Sunday is the day we are bound to keep, and no one has called for the money. It was the holy Catholic Church that changed the day of rest from Saturday, the Seventh day, to Sunday, the first day of the week.
    —T. Enright, C.S.S.R., in a lecture delivered in 1893.

    Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.
    —C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath, November 11, 1895.
     
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    What day are we to bring our offerings to church - according to the New Testament?
     
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    Who claims that Sunday is “sacred”?

    I am not “sanctified” by any acts I do on the first day of the week ... in or out of Church service. I am OBEDIENT to the commands to not forsake the assembling of Christians together, and it offers an opportunity for many “one another” commands to be fulfilled.

    HOWEVER, any “sanctification” that I may possess has only one source ... the true rest that is found in Jesus Christ and in Him alone. This topic is a strawman.

    Congratulations on disproving a claim that only you are making. :rolleyes:

    Now prove from scripture that attending church on Saturday adds anything to the Blood of Christ.
     
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    THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK!
     
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    Romans 14:4–10. Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
    5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother?
     
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    CUT AND PASTE FROM HERE
     
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    CUT AND PASTE FROM RICHARD 2019
     
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    Day of Worship was never changed inside the Bible.

    The first day of the week in Acts 20:7 was the Saturday Evening as Sunday evening is the second day of the week. On Sabbath Evening, Jews usually have had the Hapdallah which means the Friendship Dinner and Meeting for the new week.

    Day of the Lord in Rev 1:10 was the Saturday as Jesus was the Adonai of the Sabbath, not of Sunday.

    The Day of Worship was changed only after Laodicean Council in 364-365 when Catholic Pope declared the Anathema to the Worshippers on the Sabbath.

    However, Sunday, the 8th day meant the New Start as we read Leviticus 9:1
    So, the New Start comes from the Saturday Evening which is the first day of the week.


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    Except Romans 14:5-6
     
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    History disagrees.
    There was Sunday Worship prior to the Fourth Century.
     
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    No, it's not the proof of the Worship Service on Sundays.
    Paul preached the Gospel on the Sabbaths. Read Act ch 13-18.
    God has never changed His Sabbath Day.

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    There could be some Worshippers on Sundays before Laodicean Council.
    Even during the second century AD, some people like Marcionists could have had the worship service on Sundays. Emperor Constantin decreed the Sunday as the Holy Day for the officers since March 7, 321AD.
    But the most of the Assemblies throughout the Roman Empire except Rome and Alexandria gathered on Sabbath. Polycarp was arrested in the afternoon on a Sabbath and was burnt alive on the High Sabbath, This is why we can believe the Lord's Day on Rev 1:10 meant the Day of the LORD Jehovah, the Sabbath Day, as Polycarp was a disciple of Apostle John
    Even if Roman Catholic tried to force the Sunday Worship, the most of the assemblies gathered on the Sabbath, therefore they issued the < Anathema > to the Sabbath Keepers in 364 AD.
    If there were no Sabbath Keepers, why did they need to declare Anathema to the Sabbath keepers?
    God set the Law for the Sabbath as follows:

    Exodus 31

    16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

    17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

    Where is God's commandment for the Sunday Worship like this?

    Day of Worship has never changed from Sabbath to Sunday.
    It was changed only by Roman Catholic and Roman Empire.

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    I've never understand this obsession.

    The fact is that people are dying and going to hell every hour on the hour across the world and people will post the same messages ad nauseum for years about Saturday/Sunday worship while sitting on their cans for hours on end in front of a computer on MULTIPLE forums. The rest of the lost and dying world be damned to hell.

    I've never seen ANYONE who is convinced by any of these arguments. I know that many SDA's believe that everyone else who worships on any given day of the week except for Saturday are the ones going to hell.

    ~sigh~ This is all so absurd.

    I thank God for the Tuesday night church in my town for people who work on weekends. I've known of people saved there.
     
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    They do not believe in an eternal hell/lake of fire, so they're not concerned about people suffering eternal torment for the wrong day. All cults do away with that idea, or they would be less attractive. But as you probably know, after the adventist movement was wrong twice in naming the date of Christ's return, and people were then leaving it, the 7th day thing was about saving the movement, with the message that their dates were right, but God changed his mind because Christians historically have used the wrong day of the week for rest and assembly. So that's their key wedge issue. All cults need one or more of those too.
     
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    No, there is no Sunday Sacredness in the Bible, and as a general rule of thumb, there is neither Sunday Sacredness taking place in most Sunday services.
     
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    You are conflating two things.
    1. Sunday NEVER became Saturday (the seventh day of the week).
    2. Paul specifically states that we are free to honor God (worship) on the Sabbath or on any other day (and declares wrong the EXACT thing that you and Hobie are doing ... judging others for keeping Sabbaths or not keeping Sabbaths).
    So in direct response:
    "No, it's not the proof of the Worship Service on Sundays."
    • It IS proof of the RIGHT of Christians to worship God on any day.
    "Paul preached the Gospel on the Sabbaths. Read Act ch 13-18."
    • Paul preached the Gospel on every opportunity and wherever people were gathered ... including to Jews gathered at Synagogue on the Sabbath.
    • Was the Jailer saved on a Sabbath when Paul was arrested and visited his home?
    • Was Lydia, who already honored God, saved while working on the Sabbath?
    • Did Peter preach on Pentacost in Acts 2 on the Sabbath?
    • Did Peter violate the Law by traveling on the Sabbath to preach to Gentiles as God commanded?
    "God has never changed His Sabbath Day."
    • Where is the claim that 'God changed Saturday to Sunday'? (It is not mine or that of anyone that I know.)
    • The claim is that Christians have the freedom to worship God every and any day of the week.
    • The claim is that Christians have gathered on Sunday from the beginning (because it was the day Jesus was resurrected).
    • The claim is that gentile Christians have always met on Sunday to avoid creating trouble with non-Christian Jews.
    • The claim is that when the Synagogues began to expel Jewish Christians, they simply attended the already existing services with their Gentile Christian brothers and sisters.
    • The claim is that all of this happened long before AD 321.
    • The claim is that our "rest", for a Christian, is found not in a day set aside in a promise to the people that God led out of Egypt ... but in the person of Jesus Christ.
    • The claim is that we are free to honor the "sabbath" (Saturday) or not, and Worship God any and every day of the week.
    • The claim is that NO CHRISTIAN has the right to judge another Christian for matters of the Sabbath (specifically stated in Romans 14:5-6).
     
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    To which tribe of the 'children of Israel' do you belong?
     
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    What year was Polycarp killed? ;)
     
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    Your insinuation connecting me to the SDA is wrong.
    I am a PB Plymouth Brethren which may belong to the broader sense of Baptists and Brethren.
    There have been Seventh Day Baptists throughout the history.

    Seventh Day Baptists - Wikipedia

    I don't oppose to the worship everyday or any other day of the week, but the Sabbath was never changed to Sunday.
    You cannot blame Sabbath for the death and the sickness.
    Jesus didn't come to abolish the Law but to accomplish the Law ( Mt 5:17-19)

    Satan has the great interest in changing the Law and the Times:
    Dan 7:
    And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

    I don't force you any form of faith, and it is up to you


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