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  1. Eliyahu

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    God will designate everyone according to His Will.
    Read Rev 21:9-12

    And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
    And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

    Do you see the Bride of the Lamb consists of 12 tribes? Where are the NT churches gone?

    So, each one of NT church members will be assigned to the tribes of Israel.

    This is why Paul said this:

    Gal 6:16
    And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

    Are you not in the Israel of God?
    Believe and Obey the Lord.

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    What year is not very important as there are some disputes on the timing like 155-170 AD.
    But the Martyrdom Polycarp is understood to have taken place on the High Sabbath after the arrest on the Sabbath after he preached in the morning.

    Do you think the Lord's Day in Rev 1:10 meant the Sunday?

    Why does John say there was a day of the Lord? Wasn't eveyday the Lord's Day?
    Everyday of the week is the same but why did John say " Lord's Day" ?
    Did Jesus say He is the Adonai of the Sunday?
    Read Mark 2:26-28

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    So your answer to the question that atpollard asked is: "I dont know". Is that the correct answer?
     
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    What I meant there is that the Early Church people gathered on Sabbaths.
    Why didn't Paul tell the people that they should come next day after he preached on Sabbath if there was a regular meeting on Sunday?
    There is no trace or clue that the Early Church people gathered on every Sunday.
    Paul had the prayer meeting on the Sabbath: Acts 16:13
    And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

    You often claim the Romans 14:5-6
    Paul didn't say " You can ignore and may violate the Sabbath" by those verses.
    Even while they were keeping the Sabbath, they could still consider everyday of the week has the same value and the same importance. That was what he meant.

    Otherwise, how could Apostle John say a specific day was " Lord's Day" in Rev 1:10?

    Did he mean the other days of the week belong to the Satan and only a specific day was the Lord's Day?

    Again, every day is precious for the Lord and for His people while we still keep the Sabbath.

    Why did Isaiah prophesy that the worship will be done from Sabbath to Sabbath, in 66:23, instead of from the first day of the week to the first day of the week?
    Why does God mention the Feast of the Tabernacles instead of Christmas in Zechariah 14:16-19?


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    I don't know the name of the tribe which I may belong to yet, but later on God will let me know.

    Read the followings:
    Rev 2:17
    He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

    Rev 7
    4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

    In the same manner all the Christians will be designated the tribes of Israel.
    This is why Rev 21 talk about 12 tribes, 12 apostles, 12 pearl gates, 12 foundations, 12 gems, 12 angels, 12x12 cubic castle...

    Do you think you wouldn't belong to these 12 tribes of Israel?


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    Who said the Sabbath has been changed from Saturday to Sunday? The Jewish Sabbath is still from Friday night sundown to Saturday night sundown. I am not a Jew. I am a Christian. Whatever day of the week that I go to church on is moot, irrelevant, and God is there all the time.

    I don't know what you are talking about with the "sickness and death".

    Yes, Jesus came to fulfill the Law and he did. That's why he was able to die on the cross. He lived perfectly morally and perfectly according to the law. No one else did. No one else HAS to. Salvation is in Christ alone - not what day of the week you go to church.
     
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    ... only those that HATE Sunday worship. :Cautious
     
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    Galatians 5:1-14 [NASB]
    It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.

    Look! I, Paul, tell you that if you have yourselves circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you. And I testify again to every man who has himself circumcised, that he is obligated to keep the whole Law. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law; you have fallen from grace. For we, through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.

    You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth? This persuasion did not come from Him who calls you. A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough. I have confidence in you in the Lord, that you will adopt no other view; but the one who is disturbing you will bear the punishment, whoever he is. But as for me, brothers and sisters, if I still preach circumcision, why am I still persecuted? Then the stumbling block of the cross has been eliminated. I wish that those who are troubling you would even emasculate themselves.

    For you were called to freedom, brothers and sisters; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but serve one another through love. For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
    Capisce?
     
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    Firstly, there is not a single place in the New Testament, where, after the Death of the Lord Jesus Christ, is anyone told, "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy" (Exodus 20:8).

    Secondly, in Exodus 31:12, 16, it is clear that the Sabbath Day is a "Covenant" between God and Israel, "“You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the LORD, sanctify you...Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a Covenant forever".

    Thirdly, Paul says that the Sabbath was a "shadow" of things to come, and that no person should be judged on this issue. "Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the reality belongs to Christ." (Colossians 2:16-17). Paul would not have said this, if the Sabbath Day was still applicable to Christians.

    Fourthly, In Romans 14 Paul is very clear that the Seventh Day is NOT the day for worship of the Lord God. "One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord.". Here Paul says that there are some who "observe" one day, while there are others, who "observe" all days to the Glory of the Lord. Surely he would have reminded those who were disputing about which day, by quoting ""Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy"? This, as part of the Great Ten Commandments, should have settled the issue. But he does not.

    "You shall kindle no fire in all your dwelling places on the Sabbath day.” (Exodus 35:3)

    This means that you cannot cook, have hot water and heating in the winter. Do you obey this?

    Exodus 34:21 says, "“Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest". Complete REST. which means that you cannot drive or take the bus to go to Church. You can do NO activities on the Sabbath. Do you?

    Numbers 15:32-35 says, "While the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation. They put him in custody, because it had not been made clear what should be done to him. And the LORD said to Moses, “The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” And all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, as the LORD commanded Moses.". Would you fully obey this, even when a member of your own family were the guilty one?

    Nehemiah 13:15-18 says, "In those days I saw in Judah people treading winepresses on the Sabbath, and bringing in heaps of grain and loading them on donkeys, and also wine, grapes, figs, and all kinds of loads, which they brought into Jerusalem on the Sabbath day. And I warned them on the day when they sold food. Tyrians also, who lived in the city, brought in fish and all kinds of goods and sold them on the Sabbath to the people of Judah, in Jerusalem itself! Then I confronted the nobles of Judah and said to them, “What is this evil thing that you are doing, profaning the Sabbath day? Did not your fathers act in this way, and did not our God bring all this disaster on us and on this city? Now you are bringing more wrath on Israel by profaning the Sabbath.”

    Do you EVER do shopping on the Sabbath Day? This is FORBIDDEN!

    Exodus 16:28-30 says, "And the LORD said to Moses, “How long will you refuse to keep my commandments and my laws? See! The LORD has given you the Sabbath; therefore on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Remain each of you in his place; let no one go out of his place on the seventh day.” So the people rested on the seventh day.". Do you EVER leave your home of the Sabbath Day, for anything?


    Look at John 20:19, (and the other Gospels), "then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and said unto them, Peace be unto you"; and then, verse 26, "And after eight days again his disciples were inside, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.", where, After eight days (meth' hêmeras oktô). That is the next Sunday evening, on the eighth day in reality just like "after three days" and "on the third day.Then look at Acts 20:7, ""And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight,". 1 Corinthians 16:1-2, "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. On the first day of every week let each one of you put aside and save, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come,". Rev. 1:10-11, "I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet, saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea,"

    First Day=Sunday, because the Lord Jesus Christ was Raised from the dead, the devil defeated, death was forever conquered, and there was real hope for the whole human race. And all because of the RESURRECTION of the Great Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ!!!

    Pentecost

    "And you shall count for yourselves from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering: seven Sabbaths shall be completed ‘Count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath; then you shall offer a new grain offering to the LORD." (Leviticus 23:15-16)

    Then, in Acts 2:1, we have the Birth of the Church and giving of the Holy Spirit, which is known as "Pentecost", which is from the Greek, "pentēkostē", which means "fiftieth day".

    Thursday, 14th day of the month Nisan, Christ institutes the Lord’s Supper.
    Friday, 15th day of Nisan, He is crucified.
    Saturday, 16th day of Nisan, He rests in the grave.
    Sunday, 17th day of Nisan, He rises from the dead.
    From the end of Saturday the 16th day of Nisan forty-nine days are counted, and fiftieth, or feast of Pentecost, falls on a Sunday.

    God chose SUNDAY, not any other, for the giving of the Holy Spirit, and the Birth of the Church. This, together with the RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ, is CELEBRATION time!

    Σάββατον, used for “a week”

    Matthew 28:1, “At the end of the Sabbath (Σάββατον), day, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week (Σάββατον), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher

    “ὀψέ σαββάτων, the sabbath having just passed, after the sabbath, i. e.: at the early dawn of the first day of the week” (J H Thayer, Greek lexicon)

    “after the Sabbath” (W F Arndt & F W Gingrich, Greek lexicon)

    “at the end of the sabbath, i.e. after the Sabbath, the Sabbath being now ended, toward the dawn” (E Robinson, Greek lexicon)

    “ὀψέ σαββάτων, after the Sabbath day” (H Liddell & R Scott Greek lexicon)

    Mark 16:1, 2, 9, “And when the Sabbath (Σάββατον), was past (διαγίνομαι, elapsed) Mary Magdalene, and Mary the [mother] of James, and Salome, bought spices, that they might come and anoint him. And at dawn on the first day of the week (Σάββατον), they come to the tomb when the sun was risen… Now when He was risen early on the first (πρώτως, first) day of the week (Σάββατον),, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.”

    Luke 24:1, “But on the first day of the week (Σάββατον), at early dawn (ὄρθρου βαθέως, Lit., at deep dawn, or the dawn being deep) they came unto the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared”

    John 20:1, “Now on the first day of the week (τῇ μιᾷ τῶν σαββάατον, The Hebrew idiom, day one of the week) cometh Mary Magdalene early, while it was yet dark, unto the tomb, and seeth the stone taken away from the tomb.”

    It is very clear from these passages, and others, that the word “Σάββατον”, is also used to denote the English word “week”, and not just The Sabbath Day. Mark, for example, clearly shows this, when he says, “the Sabbath (7th day, Saturday) had elapsed…at dawn on the first day of the week…He was risen early on the first day of the week”. This can only mean the day after the Sabbath, our Saturday, the 7th day of the week. Since The Sabbath Day is the 7th day of the week, the next day has to be Sunday, which is the first day of the week.
     
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    SUNDAY WORSHIP IN THE EARLY CHURCH

    Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch (A.D.35-108)

    " If, therefore, they who were under the older dispensation came into a new hope, no longer keeping the Sabbath, but living in observance of the Lord's Day, on which day also our life rose through him and through his death, which certain deny, through which mystery we have received faith (and through this abide, that we may be found disciples of Jesus Christ, our only teacher)" (To the Magnesians, Chapter 9.1)

    The Didache - The Teachings of the 12 Apostles to the World. (A.D. 85-125)

    "But every Lord's Day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure" (Chapter 14)

    Justin Martyr (A.D.100-165)

    " And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration." (First Apology, Chapter 67)

    The Epistle of Barnabas (about A.D.130)

    "Finally He saith to them; Your new moons and your Sabbaths I cannot away with. Ye see what is His meaning ; it is not your present Sabbaths that are acceptable [unto Me], but the Sabbath which I have made, in the which, when I have set all things at rest, I will make the beginning of the eighth day [Sunday] which is the beginning of another world. Wherefore also we keep the eighth day [Sunday] for rejoicing, in the which also Jesus rose from the dead, and having been manifested ascended into the heavens." (15:8-9)

    Eusebius, Church Historian (A.D.263-339)

    "The Sabbath and the rest of the discipline of the Jews they observed just like them, but at the same time, like us, they celebrated the Lord's Days as a memorial of the resurrection of the Saviour" (Church History, Book III, Chapter 27)

    "A question of no small importance arose at that time. For the parishes of all Asia, as from an older tradition, held that the fourteenth day of the moon, on which day the Jews were commanded to sacrifice the lamb, should be observed as the feast of the Saviour's passover. It was therefore necessary to end their fast on that day, whatever day of the week it should happen to be. But it was not the custom of the churches in the rest of the world to end it at this time, as they observed the practice which, from apostolic tradition, has prevailed to the present time, of terminating the fast on no other day than on that of the Resurrection of our Saviour. Synods and assemblies of bishops were held on this account, and all, with one consent, through mutual correspondence drew up an ecclesiastical decree, that the mystery of the Resurrection of the Lord should be celebrated on no other but the Lord's Day, and that we should observe the close of the paschal fast on this day only" (Book V, Chapter 23)

    The Apostolic Constitutions (about A.D.385)

    " And on the Day of our Lord's Resurrection, which is the Lord's Day, meet more diligently, sending praise to God that made the universe by Jesus, and sent Him to us, and condescended to let Him suffer, and raised Him from the dead. Otherwise what apology will he make to God who does not assemble on that Day to hear the saving word concerning the resurrection, on which we pray thrice standing in memory of Him who arose in three days, in which is performed the reading of the prophets, the preaching of the Gospel, the oblation of the sacrifice, the gift of the holy food?" (7:59)
     
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    You said Dying and Going to Hell for this matter of Sabbath.
    Sunday Worship or Sabbath Worship has nothing to do with the Salvation.
    I was born again at the Sunday Service meeting in the church gathering on every Sunday.
    Salvation and going to the Heaven depend only on the Faith in the Redemption by Jesus.
    Justification depends only on the precious Blood of Jesus.
    The regular gathering on Sunday or Saturday has nothing to do with the Salvation or Justification, but Salvation depends on whether someone believe in the eternal salvation by Jesus Once for All at the Cross.

    Now the matter of Sunday or Sabbath is a matter of Obedience to the Lord.
    Even if anyone destroy and teach others to ignore the Law, such teacher will still go to the Heaven. Because the salvation depends only on the Redemption. But he will be deemed to be the lowest in the Heaven.( Mt 5:19)

    Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    For the rest part of the arguments, I will leave you up to your own belief.


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    Hi Brother,

    I would rather point out only a few points among many of your arguments:

    1) Ignatius letter to Magnesian is mistranslated by Lightfoot who was an Anglican.
    My translation is this:


    Εί ούν οί έν παλαιοîς πράγμασιν άναστραφέντες είς καινότητα έλπίδος ήλθον,

    μηκέτι σαββατίζοντες, άλλά κατά κυριακήν ζώντες, έν ή καί ή ζωή ήμών

    άνέτειλεν δι’ αύτού καί τού θανάτου αύτού, <öν> τινες άρνούνται,

    δι’ ού μυστηρίου έλάβομεν τò πιστεύειν, καί διά τούτο ύπομένομεν,

    ïνα εύρεθώμεν μαθηταί 'Iησού Χριστού τού μόνου διδασκάλου ήμών

    (Eliyahu)
    Therefore if those who had walked in the old practices came into the new

    hope, they should no longer rest in the idleness, but should live according

    to the Lord’s (life), in which even our life arose thru him and his death -

    which some deny- thru that mysterious we received the faith, and thru

    it we endure, so that we may be discovered Disciples of

    Jesus Christ who is our only teacher.

    What Ignatius meant was that the people should not idle away the time or not be in the careless complacency.

    Isaiah 32:
    9 Rise up, ye women that are at ease; hear my voice, ye careless daughters; give ear unto my speech.
    11 Tremble, ye women that are at ease; be troubled, ye careless ones: strip you, and make you bare, and gird sackcloth upon your loins.

    Amos 6:1
    Woe to them that are at ease in Zion, and trust in the mountain of Samaria, which are named chief of the nations, to whom the house of Israel came!

    So, Ignatius didn't abolish the practice of gathering on Sabbath but Lightfoot made a CREATIVE Translation based on the notion that the Law was abolished.


    2) As for Pentecost,
    It is the 49 days from the Day of First Fruits and 50 days from the High Sabbath.
    High Sabbath can be any day of the week. Therefore the Day of the Firstfruits can be any day of the week. Therefore Pentecost could be any day of the week.

    Jesus was resurrected after the Sabbaths, the Plural Sabbaths.
    Read Mt 28:1
    Ὀψὲ δὲ σαββάτων τῇ ἐπιφωσκούσῃ εἰς μίαν σαββάτων ἦλθεν Μαρία ἡ Μαγδαληνὴ καὶ ἡ ἄλλη Μαριὰ θεωρῆσαι τὸν τάφον

    Do you see < σαββάτων> ? Not <σαββατον>?

    So, there were < High Sabbath and the Regular Sabbath> , then the first night of the week, then he was resurrected after passing 3 nights and 3 days as He said in Mt 12:40.
    You must keep in mind God created the world from the Night first, then the Day came after.
    Jesus was resurrected on the Day of Firstfruits because DOF couldn't be right after the High Sabbath but after the Regular Sabbath.
    I believe it was in April 32AD, more precisely April 13, 32AD after 173,880 days from the decree of ArtaXerxes in his 20th reign year.
    So, the actual Pentecost in the year 32AD could have been Sunday, 51st day from the Sabbath Hagadol. But it doesn't mean that Pentecost should always be Sundays, which was the calculation by the Sadducees.

    3) 8 Days after is often mentioned by the people opposing to Sabbath.
    8 Days after what? 8 days after Resurrection means Monday. 8 Days after the High Sabbath can mean Sabbath Saturday.
    Such attempts are like drawing the face of a human being in the process of evolution by a jaw bone.

    4) 1 Cor 16:2 mentions the Donation on the first day of the week.
    Read the Greek κατὰ μίαν σαββάτων ἕκαστος ὑμῶν παρ᾽ ἑαυτῷ τιθέτω θησαυρίζων ὅ τι ἂν εὐοδῶται ἵνα μὴ ὅταν ἔλθω τότε λογίαι γίνωνται

    So, Para Eautwo means Save the money at each one's home. That doesn't mean the gather on Sundays.

    Darby correctly translated it:
    2 On [the] first of [the] week let each of you put by at home, laying up [in] whatever [degree] he may have prospered, that there may be no collections when I come.

    In order to put the money at home, one should stay at home, right?

    5) As for Acts 20:7
    It happened on the Evening of Saturday.
    Sunday Evening is the second day of the week.
    It was the Hapdalla meeting in the evening of Saturday.
    If you go to Israel and attend a Messianic Assembly, you may be invited by them for Hapdalla which is a home gathering for the dinner, for the assembly.
    In the morning they gather for the worship service on the Sabbath.

    There was no change of the Day of Worship, Day of regular gathering, from Sabbath to Sunday.

    6) As for Justin Martyr, I believe he never read Hebrew Bible. He could be wrong though he was a real martyr.

    As I said, Sabbath gathering was never shifted to Sunday gathering inside the Bible.
    It was done only by Roman Catholic, the Enemy of God.


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    Interesing - I met a Jew in one of my Army units - and he knew what Tribe he was part of
     
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    Are you Seventh Day Adventist
     
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    In his case, he may have talked about the genealogy following the Jewish history.
    Jews have Seder Olam Rabbah and Seder Olam Zutta, and furthermore record of genealogy.
    But I believe what God has as His Plan for His Believers are more blessing.
    Each of us doesn't know where we will be located. But we humbly anticipate His judgment and assignment and I would obey wherever He designate me.
    Even 144,000 will embrace the gentile believers as we read Rev 21:9-12, and they are assigned for 12 tribes.
    This is why Paul said Gal 6:16, Blessings upon the Israel of God. Did he talk about the Jews only? I don't think so.
    Remember that this Sabbath was kept by some Baptists and Brethren, not only SDA.


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    A christian is free in Christ to still keep the Jewish Sabbath if they desire, but others free to observe Sunday as now the Lords Day!
     
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    Nope. I am a PB.
    Remember there have been Sabbath keepers throughout the ages before SDA.
    Seventh Day Baptists - Wikipedia

    John Wesley in his last days said the Sabbath gathering is more biblical, I think.

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    the BIG problem with sda though is that Ellen White claimed revelation that sabbath keeping was a sign and required for one to be saved!
     
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    That' s a big problem with SDA and Ellen White.
    Salvation depends only on the Faith in the Precious Blood and the Death of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore Jesus said this:

    Mt 5 :19
    Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    Even if you ignore the Law completely and teach the people " You are set free from the Law, and live free from the Law" You still go to the Heaven, but in the Heaven you will be deemed to be the smallest. This is the teaching by the Lord. Law is a matter of Obedience to the Lord. It is more important in doing the national issues than in doing the individual matters.

    One more thing important is that there has been NOBODY who kept the Law perfectly. Only the Holy Spirit can lead the people to keep the Law.
    Another important thing is this:
    In the Worship Service, Lord Supper is so important as it represents the Ransom by the Lord Jesus and His Blood.
    But in SDA I notice the Lord Supper and His Sacrifice are not the main theme of the service.
    On the other hand, in PB, they have no pastor, no minister, no priest, and everyone is invited to the Lord Supper every week as honorable guests to the precious Supper prepared by Him who loved them even to the Death at the Cross.
    Therefore I attend PB, Plymouth Brethren even if they are a little different from what I believe.
    In the assemblies or in churches, they have the clergy systems like the priests, pastors, ministers which are not in the Bible and the most of the time is spent for hearing the sermon by them, instead of remembering what He has done at the Cross and giving thanks to the Lord.
    So, to me, there is no assembly which is perfect to the God's standards.
    Therefore I stay with PB which is the second best alternative for me in the meanwhile.

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    Wrong!
    2 On [the] first of [the] week let each of you put by at home, laying up [in] whatever [degree] he may have prospered, that there may be no collections when I come.

    Lay up the money at home on the fist day of the week, and bring it to the Assembly on the Sabbath.

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