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is the Cross Of Christ ONLY way God Could Save us?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JesusFan, Apr 26, 2011.

  1. JesusFan

    JesusFan New Member

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    Was the Cross the ONLY way/means God could have even saved us?

    that their was NO other choice, IF God was to save anyone, the Cross was it?
     
  2. Amy.G

    Amy.G New Member

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    Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.


    It was God's will that Christ die for our sins. There is no other way to the Father.
     
  3. Tater77

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    Well there is another option. Follow the law the letter daily and never once sin. That is you must be perfect and sin free.


    Since thats never gonna happen and never has with the exception of Christ Himself, then the cross is the only way.
     
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    Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known Member

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    I dont understand, how is that an option if your born with original sin?
     
  5. SBCPreacher

    SBCPreacher Active Member

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    Yes.

    (The rest of this is added because "yes" is too short an answer)
     
  6. Skandelon

    Skandelon <b>Moderator</b>

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    Could he have created Adam and Eve without putting the tree in the garden?
    No law, no sin, right? Would Cain have still killed Able?

    Could God have created us as creatures unable to sin? Just skipped the earthly (fallible) body thing and straight to the glorified perfected bodies?

    Obviously, this is just a speculative thread, so thought I'd add these questions to the mix...
     
  7. Winman

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    Some say God must desire sin or else he could have created us without the ability to sin, but I disagree for several reasons.

    #1 God always does what is perfectly right, so obviously God could not make us without the ability to sin.

    #2 Sin is necessary. This may be astounding to some, but this is what Jesus said.

    Matt 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

    Jesus said offences (sins) MUST NEEDS BE. Sin is absolutely necessary. Why? Because of free will. In order to provide men free will to choose God, it is absolutely necessary that they also be able to rebel and sin against God. It is impossible to have love without choice.

    God is love. It is his very nature. He cannot force himself upon us, he must allow us to have free will in order that we might freely choose him. But this same freedom makes it necessary that sin and rebellion is possible.

    I do not agree with those that say God could have created man without the ability to sin. If man cannot sin, then he has no free will, no choice, and therefore cannot love God.
     
  8. StefanM

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    It's not, but if the fall had not occurred, then there would be no original sin.

    Post-fall, atonement is the only way.
     
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    Alcott Well-Known Member

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    Yes; but only because God so decided. Otherwise, something would have greater authority than God.
     
  10. glazer1972

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    Yes....................................
     
  11. Winman

    Winman Active Member

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    Have you ever considered that original sin might be error? The vast majority of early church fathers did not hold this doctrine until Augustine came along.

    So, as you see, many of the early church fathers believed man retained a free will and could freely choose to obey or disobey God. It was Augustine who left orthodoxy.
     
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