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is The Foreknowledge Of God based Upon His Direct causing, or by Forseeing results

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by DaChaser1, Jan 14, 2012.

  1. DaChaser1

    DaChaser1 New Member

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    Does He determine directly, causes it to happen, or does He foresee all that will happen?
     
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    Christos doulos New Member

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    I refuse to accept that God caused a little girl to be raped. One must becareful how to word God's foreknowledge in his permissive/soverign will
     
  3. convicted1

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    very well stated.......:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
     
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    DaChaser1 New Member

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    I was speaking ONLY in terms of how it relates to one getting saved!
     
  5. convicted1

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    you tell us.....
     
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    DaChaser1 New Member

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    As regarding to us getting saved?
     
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    yes to both

    Yes, he determines directly to cause somethings to happen and yes he foresees all that will happen.
     
  8. convicted1

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    Yep, I reckon that sums thangs up, I reckon.....
     
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    convicted1 Active Member

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    You tell us, you're the one who started this thread. Please elaborate....
     
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    CD,

    I have pondered more than once about such as this.


    The Scriptures state that God will and does send an evil spirit. (1 Sam 18:10)

    Elijah cried out asking God if He brought evil to the woman. (1Kings 17:20)

    Daniel states that God watches people do evil and turns it back upon them. (Daniel 9:13, 14)

    We know that God does not use evil to tempt a person. (James 1:13)

    The Scriptures teach that "All things work ...." (Romans 8:28)

    I realize that much of the evil is what we might consider the consequences of behavior, but even in that it is no guarantee that God is not using the innocent trauma to confirm the evil in the wicked heart that they be ever more wicked.

    Stoning Stephen was evil - but it helped bring Saul to Christ.

    So, would it be possible for God to foreknow, permit, even cause evil to happen?

    The answer must be, yes, God does allow, permit, even use evil - even upon the righteous (Job, Paul).

    It stands against what we might prefer to present is a God full of Love and Compassion. But God is also a God of direct, personal, and purposed involvement in the lives of His own.

    The principle of His approval over all that has and will happen to the believer is not conditioned upon how right we are with God.

    Why, we may never know.
     
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    Ezekiel 33:
    10 “Therefore you, O son of man, say to the house of Israel: ‘Thus you say, “If our transgressions and our sins lie upon us, and we pine away in them, how can we then live?”’ 11 Say to them: ‘As I live,’ says the Lord GOD, ‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?’
     
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