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Is the "foresight of faith" view to only viable "Arminian" explanation?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Skandelon, Sep 24, 2011.

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  1. Iconoclast

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    the chapter divisions were added later...this whole thought actually starts in chapter 5 and runs through to the end of 8.....

    the whole purpose of our calling is to be adopted/conformed to the Son/to love and serve God....

    Skan/win/dhk...are trying unsucessfully to oppose this teaching......they can spin their wheels all day...but the truth stands
    I could literally post all 4 chapters here.....he speaks to individuals 5:1 and to the whole group of the justified;
    31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

    32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

    33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

    These three men are not looking for answers here as much as they seek to oppose....when they want an answer I will offer more.
    These questions have been answered ...but they are not quite ready to hold on to those answers yet;););):thumbs:
     
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    That is your opinion. You are welcome to it.
    The Jewish nation was formed, and those that were in it had to believe--individually.
    The "YE" in 1Cor.3 simply means that he is addressing the entire church as a whole--the corporate body of that local church.

    Corporate--Ye
    Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? (1 Corinthians 3:16)

    Individual responsibility--"your body"
    What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? (1 Corinthians 6:19)
     
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    Faith is never referred to as "the gift of God" in the Bible.
     
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    It's not about excusing his sin. Paul, in Romans 1, is talking about excusing unbelief and rebellion against truth that is clearly seen and known.
     
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    Philippians 1:29 suggests it, though.
    The word "granted" is a synonym for "given."
     
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    The context doesn't warrant it. If faith is given before salvation so is suffering. It doesn't make sense.

    For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake; (Philippians 1:29)

    Then faith and suffering are given at the same time?
    No. It is the will of God that man be saved; that man suffer for the sake of Christ. He is speaking to Christians. Suffering comes with salvation.
     
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    That is why the Apostle calls them condemnation as being just and true...

    They know God exists by nature, but freely chose to worship gods on their own making instead of the true One!
     
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    Yet, you don't define freely in the same manner, do you? You don't believe they could have willingly done otherwise, do you?
     
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    Man can freely chose to do all that is possible, based upon the limitations placed on us by our sinful natures!
     
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    So, how do you define "freely?"
     
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    Hopefully, BOTH of us would agree that ONLY God has 'true" free will!

    We as sinners can chose to do whatever we want, its just that due to being limited by a sinful nature, some things we will not want to do!
     
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    The feeling from non-cals that we are "free," seeking God (prior to salvation) "good" contrary to Scriptures et al is fallacy.

    Jesus said we are not free, but are slaves to sin in our lost state.

    The failure is that they look through man's lens and fail to see what God sees through His lens, which is given to us in the Word of God.
     
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    They uphold man free will, some deny original sin, most deny the full effect of the fall of Adam...

    basically, think more interested in putting down calvinism than what the Bible teaches in this area!
     
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    JF, you were the one that brought free will into the discussion here:
    Note your words carefully: "They freely chose to worship gods on their own making instead of the true One.
    FREELY CHOSE

    If man can freely choose to worship one God, then he can freely choose to worship the true God. This is basically what you said, contradicting what you have posted in this post. You admit that man can "freely choose."

    As God commands every man to choose:
    "But now commands all men everywhere to repent."

    If all men are to repent they of their own free will are to repent. God is not going to force them to do it. He commands them to repent; he doesn't make them robots. He has given them a free will that they may repent.
     
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    You are of course correct here;
    This word is also translated as GRACED:thumbs::thumbs:

    to you it was graced....:thumbs:
     
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