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Is the lake of fire same as gehenna?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by robycop3, Nov 22, 2005.

  1. James_Newman

    James_Newman New Member

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    Why?
     
  2. robycop3

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    Why? </font>[/QUOTE]Because neither are permanent.
     
  3. prophecynut

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    Tartarus - angels are bound by chains in dungeons (2 Peter 2:4; Jude 6).

    Hades - where the souls of the wicked dead are kept until the final judgment at the Great White Throne.

    Gehenna - where the souls and bodies of the wicked dead from Hades are cast into the lake of fire, the final judgment.

    Tartarus will come to an end when the fallen angels are judged at the Great White Throne and cast into the lake of fire where the false prophet and Antichrist had been thrown a thousand years earlier (Rev. 20:10).
     
  4. James_Newman

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    This is starting to sound a little circular guys...

    Gehenna is the lake of fire because its where the lost go for eternity... Gehenna is where the lost go for all eternity because its the lake of fire... Gehenna is the lake of fire because its where the lost go for eternity... ad infinitum
     
  5. robycop3

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    That's because it's TRUE, James.
     
  6. James_Newman

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    I hate to bring it up again, but any ideas on that timing of Matthew 25:31? When does the Lord come, and why is that not what the bible means when it says 'When the Son of man shall come'?
     
  7. James_Newman

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    I know there isn't an answer, so don't sweat it.
     
  8. prophecynut

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    James: any ideas on that timing of Matthew 25:31?


    The "Son of Man" designation is virtually synonymous with Israel's Messiah, it is absent from Paul's epistles that give instructions to the Church. The context in which the Son of Man returns is Israel and not the rapture of the Church. Jews are told to "watch" for their Messiah for Israel's redemption, those in the Church are told to "wait" for their Savior and the redemption of their bodies.

    Daniel 7:11,13 identifies the Antichrist as the horn "given to the burning flame" when the Son of Man comes "with the clouds of heaven." This passage corresponds with "the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" (Mt. 24:30b) right after the distress of the Tribulation (v.29).

    Before Armageddon can begin the Antichrist and false prophet will be cast into the blazing fire (Rev. 19:20). Those who survive to the end of the Tribualtion will be judged as sheep and goats, with the goats cast into the same blazing fire as was the Antichrist and false prophet (Mt. 25:41). At the end of the Millennium Satan will be "cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast (Antichrist) and false prophet are "(Rev. 20:7,10).
     
  9. av1611jim

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    Re 3:1
    ¶ And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
    Re 3:2
    Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
    Re 3:3
    Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
    Re 3:4
    Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
    Re 3:5
    He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
    Re 3:6
    He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


    Hmmm. Here's a church told to "watch" for His coming.

    STEEEE-RIKE!
     
  10. prophecynut

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    Re 3:3 KJV
    .....If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

    NIV 3:3
    ....But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

    Backtracing to verse 1, the church in Sardis had a reputation of being alive, but they were dead. If they are spiritually dead in Christ, they would not be watching or waiting for His return.

    The few attributes they had was about to die, they needed to wake up to their condition or else Jesus would come like a thief, and they would not know at what time he would come (v.3).

    If they were alive in Christ like those indwelled with the Holy Spirit, they would be ready and waiting for His return. Coming like thief applies to those not expecting his return, exactly the condition of the Sardis church.
     
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